I thought it was pretty obvious it DID eat her.

A Couple of things.

I believe Michonne followed the other zombies to the prison and that is how she found it. I mean if you look there are now more Zombies on the outer gates then there were a couple of episodes ago. That means they are flocking there

The Red zone they are talking about could possibly be where the prison is. This could be the reason the people of Woodbury haven't ventured over to the Prison.

Also the reason being Glen not shooting Merle with accuracy. Walkers are slower and kinda shambling along. It is easier to target and fire on a walker. But Merle on the other hand as shown by his fight in the zombie ring and his fight with Michonne that he can move fast when he wants to.

I don't know if the next part is spoilerish or not but....According to the comic, Michonne was the one the Gov. did the rape train on correct? She doesn't seem to be a sympathetic character in the TV story line.

What if they flip that around and have Merle state to Maggie "If you don't tell me where my brother is well....I can't be held accountable for what will happen next" Maggie says screw you and then Merle walks out of the room shuts the door behind him and all you hear is Maggie screaming. The Merle nods with a little evil grin as one of the Cronies pass by him and goes into the room with the other dude that was already in there. It is implied but not shown or said. Maggie is a much more sympathetic character and would drive people to hate Woodbury.

Just my thought. I could be wrong and they wont show any of that.

I thought for sure he was going to pull her head out of his belly

Ive never read a comic in my life but I might have to start with this series

What I don’t understand is how are there so many zombies? They always show them feeding on humans until there is nearly nothing left……so how do people ever come back as Zombies? Paradox?

It would seem to me that cutting off someones leg would increase the risk that they bleed out.

What I don’t understand is how are there so many zombies? They always show them feeding on humans until there is nearly nothing left……so how do people ever come back as Zombies? Paradox?

Well, fairly close... i think the prison\farm were a 45 minute drive no?

I would assume the vast majority of them are from the original "outbreak"... we see what a couple hundred people alive so far out of how many millions are in the US... let alone the city of Atlanta and surrounding areas.

Never heard old war stories of men getting their legs blown apart and them doing amputations and stopping the bleeding? Happens quite a bit.

Jim started turning while he was still alive from a bite.

Bites have something too them.

It's not just the dying part. They didn't chop off Herschell's leg because he had a big gash, that's just ridiculous to think that. "Small gash, let's make a bigger gash at the knee!!"

Jim was dieing of fever from the wound not turning

From the episode "Wildfire"
"Wildfire"Edit
As Jim helps in the cleanup of zombie corpses the morning after the attack, Jacqui notices blood on his shirt, and demands he lifts up his shirt, but he rejects so she alerts the remaining survivors. T-Dog restrains him, and Daryl lifts his shirt to reveal the bite wound he suffered during the attack on the camp. There is controversy over Jim as the survivors discuss what to do. Daryl wants to kill him immediately, but is stopped by Rick. Jim is taken with the rest of the survivors in the RV as the women care for him as he throws up and burns from a fever. While on the road, he complains of his sickness and asks that he be left behind, for the sake of the survivors. He is left by a tree, after refusing to take a handgun from Rick, and is bid farewell by each of the survivors as they leave.
His fate is left unknown, but presumably, he succumbed to the fever, reanimated, and is now a walker.

So is it fair to say that killing Zombies makes Andrea horny? She hooked up with Shane after she took down some walkers, then she jumped over the wall, and obviously got off on killing the biter hand to hand. Then immediately hopped on the Governor….

My wife would be the same way haha... kinda the perfect woman if she wasnt so bitchy all the time. (Andrea, not my wife)

Nah, the NFL Network (and by extension Red Zone) is not available in Woodbury. The Gov does not want to hear everyone's complaining about that.

do tell. how did she die in the comic?

OK...about the bite conversation....
I was under the impression that if you get bit....you're history. now some of you are saying you can get bit and heal and be fine. now I completely get it that if you die of natural causes you're gonna turn....I get that. but if you get bit, you're gonna turn....as was pointed out the example of the dude being left behind sitting by a tree.

so what gives? what's the verdict? I mean think about it....nobodies gonna die from a bite from a human being....unless it's to the jugular.....or it's a zombie.

I'm an idiot with spoilers so I put it on your visitor message if anyone wants to know.

No one has since Rick told everyone that they all have it and will turn when they die have turned just from being bit that I can remember. However anyone that has died and not had their head lopped off or brain "killed" has been reanimated.
Herschel is the prime example.. he was bit and bit bad, thought he was going to die and asked to be killed. (if my memory serves me right) The rest of them feared IF /WHEN he died he would turn but he hadnt died yet and they tried their best to keep him alive, but tied him to the bed in case he died and turned. Herschel is still alive and was bitten.

it's semantics really. we know that everyone turns when they die but it could be that the bite itself causes death, like poisoning the body. Which is why Herschel didn't die or turn because they cut his leg before it spread.

I still have not figured out zombie physiology.

My understanding is that the victim actually dies and then the actuating organism reanimates the nervous system. All other systems - circulatory, respiratory - remain dead, and the flesh begins to decompose. The nervous system is able to contract muscles to cause the zombie to lurch into mobility, and the optical, auditory, and olfactory nerves still carry information to the brain. The zombie's need to feed is an instinctual remnant.

Yet, the governors scientist says that zombies still 'starve', but at a slower rate - which indicates that they need to feed and are digesting their human prey. The next logical implication is that these zombies should be pooping. I know they aren't much into hygiene and personal grooming, so why aren't we seeing zombies walking around with bulging pant-loads of zombie excrement? Why aren't these walking corpses with pantloads engulfed in a cloud of flies and crawling with maggots? We should be know they are coming just from the buzzing of their flies and their fetid pioli smell.

ROFL

I hadn't thought of that.

George Romero presents: "Diarrhea of the Dead"

Don't spend to much time on zombie physiology. It'll drive you mad.

see in my mind that's not the same at ALL. he is alive BECAUSE they chopped off his leg before the contagion from the zombie bite traveled up his leg into the rest of him.
again...look back at the dude who was bit...but it wasn't anything even close to a mortal would...and he started getting sick and asked to be left behind. I believe, as did the characters on the show, that he was gonna turn. personally I'd have asked for a bullet to the brain rather than be left behind to turn into one of those things.

Human bites can be infectious as well.

something else I've noticed.....it's not been quite a while since the outbreak. and as was pointed out, seems like everytime someone is attacked they are completely consumed. so why are most of the zombies still so day juicy? I mean damn....it they've been walking dead for over a year now, there wouldn't be much juice left. they'd be all shirvelled up. like mummy looking things.

man I'm really giving this too much thought....

This. The bite causes a fatal infection that kills. Once the person dies, they turn (as does everyone in the Walking Dead world). They stopped the infection from spreading by amputating Herschel's leg, thus saving him.

in the world of The Walking Dead...yeah I can dig that. cause everyones infected. but now you've got me running down a different rabit hole....
so everyones already infected so it shouldn't make any damn difference whether you're bit by a live dude or a zombie....because you already have it.
so why in the hell did that dude from season 1 have such a damn hard time being bit by a zombie. it's like it was a storyline MISTAKE?!?

http://www.cracked.com/article_18683...l-quickly.html

Science again ruins zombie movies.

thanks!
wasn't as bad as I thought it'd be. I'm just glad she's gone...
cause....SHUTTHE****UPALREADYYOUANNOYINGBITCH!

not only because I hate her frigging GUTS...but as a huge horror fan, I'd really have liked to have seen the baby born a zombie. that woulda been awesome. and somebody mentioned the nursery earlier....those wussies....they shoulda done it.

I'll never forget when King's Pet Sematary was made into a movie.....I was thinking, they CAN'T REALLY have a kid as young as Gage is in the book play that part in the movie!!!! yup. they did! awesome.
not as cool as zombie infants (see Dawn Of The Dead for the most awesome zombie newborn EVER. good job Mekhi! your boys swim!)

PS - spoilers somewhere for future use

really cool article. rep to you sir.
that was pretty entertaining. made me laugh several times and I learned that there is zombie porn out there. wow. I don't even....
one sentence started out....
"It's generally accepted by zombie experts…."

hahahaha
that cracked me up.

Interesting. So they've never showed someone get bit, then turn without dying first? I'm trying to remember what happened with Andrea's sister.

Amy completely died and was laying on the ground for a minute. Then she opened her eyes and they were all cloudy. Then Andrea shot her in the head.

Didn't even realize that, pretty sweet

I thought the phone gimmick was pretty good. Andrew Lincoln has been so good this season. Then the scene with him and Herschel.....great stuff.

Also, the scene with Daryle and Carl talking about their moms was great.

I think this season will get pretty deep. Has anyone mentioned how creepy it was when he was brushing his little zombie daughters hair?

LMAO


She is kind of hot IMO.

Poor Maggie is going to get the Michonne treatment :( Damn it!

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdgd6zvndQ1rqqb77.jpg

ROFL

http://i.imgur.com/tyMPY.jpg

ROFL

http://i.imgur.com/59unw.png

ROFL

Who's going to hell w/ me?

Right here..:thumb:

Bring the beer. LMAO

Holy ****, I just got completely caught up with comic series. Shit is intense.

Yeah, but I still don't get why a bite is so much worse than getting zombie juice in your eyes or mouth, or for that matter having zombie guts spill all over the bullet wound in your leg. It'd have to be something unique to the zombies, and localized in their mouth, right? Like a zombie venom?

I'd assume many got bit, then got away and turned later. Or died in the hysteria and chaos, car wrecks and shit.

As for the bites, a big zombie bite, from a foul decomposing mouth, sunk deep into your tissue causes a hard to fight infection. The infection causes fever, which causes death.

The guts in a small wound is probably less susceptible to such a severe infection.

The Redzone he is referring to is either the area immediately surrounding the gunshots fired which alert zombies, and in the opposite direction of camp which they know to be fairly zombie free.

Or, the area around their zombies attracting machine.

Able bodied people or not the Governor has automatic weapons he got from the guardsmen. They also have a wall. Rick's people have pistols.

Rick crew has a tactical advantage though, the element of surprise and a person with fairly in depth knowledge of the town, it's perimeter and security, and the people inside.

The governor's men took out a military squad with little manpower with the ambush tactic...

Not sure if this is a spoiler or not but it appears they are adding a 3rd black character to the cast. Tyrese




http://badassdigest.com/2012/11/20/c...-walking-dead/


TV's The Walking Dead has played very fast and loose with its source material; in the original comics, for instance, Shane died much earlier. There is no Daryl in the comics. The Governor is very different in the comics. And so far the TV series has not featured one of the comics' most popular characters - Tyreese (yeah, that's how Robert Kirkman spells it). For a while people thought T-Dog might be Tyreese, but fans were relieved to discover that character had no relation.

In the comic Tyreese joins the group fairly early on, and he's got a good attitude and helpful nature that makes him one of the more likable folks around. He's an ex-NFL player, probably because he's black and that's just how this shit goes in popular culture, and he has a daughter. There's a lot of stuff that happens to Tyreese in the prison that has, obviously, not occured in the show. Since he's not in the show.

Until now! The next major character added to The Walking Dead is Tyreese, bringing the show back up to three black characters - surely some kind of genre program record. And unlike previous casting on The Walking Dead, this one fills me with hope: Chad Coleman is playing the role. The Wire fans know Coleman as Cutty, the ex-con boxer trying to live straight in the latter half of the series. Cutty is one of the most human, decent and lovable characters in the series. A lot of that comes from Coleman, who has a soft center underneath his impressive physical exterior. Perfect for Tyreese, in my opinion.

If the show is smart they'll keep Tyreese around for a while. They can still do some of his more interesting storylines, but I think Coleman is too good an actor to just shuffle out of the story after a handful of episodes. Here's hoping

Pretty sweet news...

I need to catch up on the comics

I didn't see the amputation as a means to stop the bleeding. Anyone that is bitten isn't killed by the virus they are killed by the fever that follows a bite from a walker.

Just like a bite from a human, I am assuming that there are all kinds of bacteria in a walkers mouth. When bitten (much like human bites), it causes infection, which causes a fever.

They cut off the source of infection and fever to keep Hershel alive. Then tied him up in the event he died from blood loss and turned.

I think everyone except Lprechaun agrees that the bites kill people. He said they amputated his leg to stop his bleeding.

Huh? Interesting. I'll have to re-watch that.

I just look at the bite like a snake bite. It poisons your blood and you die. Then you reanimate.

Ok reviewed it. Didn't get to re-watch it, but it seems pretty universal that they cut off the leg to keep the bite from killing him. Just like what happened to Jim in the first season. He was bit in the chest, it didn't cause him to bleed out, but he developed that nasty fever before he told them to leave him on the side of the road. They amputated the leg to prevent the fever from coming on and killing Hershel.

Exactly.

I never said you cant die from the bites, I said you dont turn just because you got bit, or got some guts on you. If that were the case than EVERYONE would already be dead, blood in their eyes, in their mouth, etc.
Just because you get bit doesnt mean you die. The fever kills you.
Look through how it works I cant explain it any better

If you ALREADY are infected which Rick clearly tells everyone at the end of season 2 than what would a bite do other than give you an infection?

You only reanimate when you DIE. Rather it be from loss of blood, natural causes, infectious disease etc.

To prove the point Jim was never shown to turn while with the group, he was left to die because at the time they didnt realize once you DID die you turn and didnt want to shoot him.

If you're bit or scratched you get the fever that kills you. Yes the fever causes the death, but the bite causes the fever A to B to C. Its just easier to go A to C.

But I guess I see where you're coming from. We have yet to see a person, that was bit, change into a zombie. So you can argue this stance, but I don't think it will hold for long.

I think Daryls character has been one of the most intriguing... really wondering how they spin it when he see's Merle... he hasnt mentioned his name much since he seemed to have turned a corner to be a better all around person.

I think you're saying the same thing others are saying (if you get bit...you are ****ed!) just in a round about way.

you say the fever kills you.....yeah....the fever you got from the bite.
now, that hasn't truly been proved out, but even though Jim wasn't shown as a zombie, it was certainly insinuated that he was turning. the blonds sister had her throat ripped out I believe, so she woulda been dead zombie or not. herschel got his leg chopped off before the infection could spread...againg insinuating that a bite will kill you. at the end of the day.....we've yet to see a bite and a death from that bite....but it's certainly insinuated and would follow the precedent set forth by just about every zombie movie made.

The human mouth has more bacteria in it than most animals, and is one of the dirtiest places on the human body. Now, take the filth hole, and fill it with owners own rotting, decaying flesh, plus the rotting and decaying flesh of whatever or whoever they have eaten since they turned to zombies and then let that all stew for days/months.

Basically you get a nasty infection that will end up killing you. The reason they cut off Hershel's leg was to stop that infection before it has time to spread.

Bites do not transmit the zombie virus, but they do transmit disease and infection. At least in the WD Universe.

I don't buy that at all. If it were just a run of the mill infection, they could just cleanse the wound and prevent the infection. They have antibiotics. They have alcohol. The chances of him dying from a run of the mill bite (from a decaying corpse or not) is no greater than him contracting an infection from having his freaking leg cut off. The zombie bite appears to cause inevitable death (from what we've seen), and an infection would not be inevitable death.

There is something extra in a zombie bite beyond just standard bacteria from a rotting corpse.

It's like being a carrier and having full blown zombie.

seconded.
honestly I'm mucho much golly surprised that this is even something anyone would possibly disagree with!!! seriously!!! all zombie experts agree (this phrase cracks me up and I will use it often)...if you get bit by a zombie, unless the offending bitten limb is cut off IMMEDIATELY....YOU ARE ****ED!
it's just abby-normal to try and argue this very basic zombie fact. GOSH!
that is all.

It doesn't spread the "zombie" virus, cause everyone has that already, and unless smashed brain is the result of death, everyone will turn.

As a "zombie expert" myself. I personally believe the exact opposite of what you guys are saying. And at the time of the bite on Hershel, did they have any medical supplies?

Think of the bite from a zombie like the bite from a komodo dragon. There is so much bacteria, that the victim almost always dies from an infection.

The victim of a komodo dragon bite won't die from an infection if it's treated even marginally. A wildebeest in the wild will certainly die, though. That's because a wildebeest doesn't know things like: clean the wound, take antibiotics, get rest, etc...

And yes, they had medical supplies, I believe. They were saving them for Lori's birth. They were also in a prison and knew there was an infirmary (with supplies) somewhere nearby. If it was as simple as an infection (even a super infection), I think they'd bet on finding some antibiotics and cleaning the wound rather than, literally, cutting off his leg to spite his face.

Edit: I've also found out while researching this, that recent research shows that komodo dragons actually are VENOMOUS, not just toxic due to bacteria.
http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/2...th-snake-venom

It's an agree to disagree then. Since both sides don't really have any evidence short of waiting for the screenwriters to come out and blatantly say "Zombie bites kill because.....X".

In any event, it's still fun speculating.

By everyone being infected I take it as the disease is idle in a living person. Upon death the "virus" activates. Being bitten puts that "actives" virus into your bloodstream causing whatever it is to in a sense "wake up" and kill you. The fever and effects leading up to death is your immune system fighting that now active disease.

You all just look way into it. i just shut down my brain and enjoy it for what the show is a drama thriller. If i tried to think of shit in ways that its being brought up in here, i wouldnt be able to enjoy any damn thing on tv or in the movies. lol

You can catch big time errors in anything and i often do, but i just eh. The only show/tv in recent memory that shut me off by being completely ****ing stupid is when twilight first came out and the vampires sparkled in the sun. haha Once iseen that i was like **** this. Its just made for women pure and simple.

anyways, it was a solid episode. i fear maggy is going to get the michonnne treatment. I wonder how far they go with the comic storyline cause it gets ****ing crazy.

That zombie infection must be MRSA.

I think if we are extending reality to believe that the dead reanimate we could extend it to believe that their bite causes an infection that kills you. It doesn't matter what the cause of infection is, because the result is still the same. To each their own. Maybe they will explain later, but in any case, this discussion has been quite enjoyable.

When did this thread start including spoilers from the comics? I thought it was the opposite before.

Or does the thread title mean spoilers from the TV show? Rather confusing (especially because another TV show Game of Thrones has one thread here with spoilers from those books and one without).