Doesn't that kind of even things out then? In your scenario they both have strikes against them. Doesn't that even the playing field so to speak?

No room for errors this week with Axl. He gets not ONE **** UP in the red zone.

You are a very smart guy Sorter. Wishing that an upgrade to your own personnel is never an issue. I never looked at a 49er fan as a reerun for wanting Alex Smith to be upgraded over.

But if a 49er fan had said to me, Gee, I hope the Dallas Cowboys come in and shit down our necks, I would lose my ****ing mind.

Those aren't even relevant to be considered RUBRIC's.

Sure, the guildline is to support your team. If there is a body inside a jersey that has a chiefs logo on it. Support him.

Don't support the rat bastards with the stars on theirs

Then you can't ignore just how horrible the bad throws were.

None of this matters, though. Geno's fate was sealed the second the Jets drafted him.

Can you imagine what would have happened if he were drafted by a stable franchise with a good QB coach and an established veteran he could have learned behind, but not so entrenched he couldn't be replaced in a couple years?

Gee, I wonder what team fits that description...

Oh well. I have just as much hope for Bray as I did for Geno. I'm fine with it.

I don't see how this is even a comparison at this point.

Geno 470 yards 1-TD and 4-ints LMAO...


If Alex had 1 TD and 4 Ints after week two, this place would have a meltdown.

Strong post has STRENFF

Luck was the most NFL ready QB since Elway and still posted 3 interceptions his 1st game. Otherwise, you would like to think an 8 year NFL vet would do a bit better than a raw rookie on a worse team with inferior coaching.

Why do you idiots constantly want to compare a rookie to a 9 year NFL vet?

Lol. What was the title of this thread again?

Says the creator of the geno vs Alex thread

LMAO

You can cut the irony with a chainsaw...

Look, they are held to different standards. You disagree?

It's OK for Geno to go through growing pains.

It's NOT OK for Alex to do the same.

The OP give both QBs a 5 year window, not a 2 game window.

5 years.

Geno can suck dick his entire first year and still compare favorably with Alex over the 5 year window given by the OP. I'm not predicting that. At the very least I would certainly expect Alex to play better than an NFL rookie his first year or 2.

OP did not even make a QB comparison or he would have asked who had more yards & TDs and higher passer rating?

Instead he asked who would lead his team to more wins? The jury is clearly out on that one.

The fact is, Geno is the clear underdog here as we KNOW Alex Smith is a successful journeyman QB and, barring injury, will still be starting under center for some team. Geno may be out of the NFL after this year. The Jets could go 2-14 and draft the top QB prospect next year. Who knows?

So anybody voting for Alex has minimal risk.

One thing unclear about the poll is if Alex's wins only count if he is on the Chiefs. What if he is released in 2 years. Do the wins on his new team count for the 5 year window, or just for the Chiefs? It seems "success" for the Chiefs wouldn't count any wins for the Chiefs. So I can tell if this bet is Geno vs Alex straight up, or Geno vs Alex as a Chief only.

Because the only concern is how the QB can win games for you.

This "epic" battle is really over which fans want to win and be respectable NOW with a vet QB vs those who are only focused on finding and developing this imagined franchise QB ( but sucking for more years till he becomes that ).

The simple reality is this. KC can win games now with this vet QB PLUS still groom a young QB to be the franchise QB... if even we are to unjustly assume that the vet QB is maxed out as only a serviceable QB.

If he were going through growing pains, I'd agree. From what I've seen, he hasn't really improved much on the things he didn't do well in college (you woulnd't know those things, you don't watch college football by your own admission) and is doing the things he did do well in college well in the NFL.

It's cool how I get neg-repped and told I have the worst football IQ on the entire board in that neg-rep for saying I don't think Geno will turn out to be an elite QB. Needless to say, my football IQ isn't up there with some people here, but to be worst on the board would be pretty ****in bad considering some of the things I've read so I hope that isn't true lol.

The funny part of all this is nobody ****in knows who is gonna do what. Even the assholes that are paid millions to know about this stuff get it wrong often. It's fun to be bold and make predictions, I get that. So my bold prediction is that Geno won't be starting in the NFL a couple years from now, and I sure as **** don't predict he'll be a Hall of Fame QB. And that prediction goes for Alex too...

Well, I can't really disagree with your post.

But the title of the OP, not to mention the edit with their week 1 stats, pretty clearly communicates, to me, anyway, "Let's compare these two quarterbacks." That may be a foolish undertaking, or it may be interesting.

But the fact remains, it appears to be what this thread is about. So, to say don't compare them, in this thread, just struck me as somewhat funny.

Ive done nothing but compare him to our rookie.

This thread is called Geno Smith vs Alex Smith-its on.

And YOU started it.

Now you are whining because the two are being compared?
You truly are a child....truly.

Wow. The way Geno looked really ****ed with the genobaters heads.

Even though it was just dudes 2nd game. lol

CP with the psychological carpet bombing.

That really is the funniest part, and everyone saying we shouldnt compare him and shit.

Im I supposed to wait 5 years to tell you your boy looked like the shit under the refrigerator?

Right.

I told you this would happen a looong time ago if you kept it up.

Do you have any idea what every response to your posts on any subject are going to say if Geno keeps failing like that?

Might as well just rename you Mecca right now.

LMAO

He'll get bored at midseason and it'll go away.

I would like to see a shop of him with mecca's locks haha

Dude.

I wish it would have gone away a long time ago.

And this how we all get screwed by this BS.

If Geno succeeds, we will hear about it NON STOP.

If he fails Clay will have to hear about it NON STOP.

Clay has no choice now but to pull for Geno, and wish failure on Alex, or he will get heckled relentlessly.


LOSE, LOSE for everyone.

It would have been OVER after the draft, if these kids had just admitted that is was POSSIBLE that selecting this guy wasnt the best idea.
Everyone is wrong about half the time....or more.
What is it with the refusal to even consider that one might be wrong in a football discussion?

Its seriously like flipping a coin and arguing to the DEATH that its gonna be heads.

Maybe it has something to do with the thread title.

ROFL

...And all is right with the "Planet" once again.

LMAO @ Kaepernick. Dude comes from another forum to talk shit about a player that used to play for his team. He's even weirder than the Alex Smith stans. It's like going to a Vikings forum to talk shit about Cassel.

What's wrong with 49ers fans?

Who would have thought.....it figureeeeeeeeeeed

It's not all 49er fans that guy seriously has something wrong mentally. On the 49er forum he'll post like 10 posts in a row, long posts too like several paragraphs a piece about how much he loves Colin Kaepernick. He has an unhealthy obsession that goes beyond a normal sports fan, he's like Robert De'Niro in that movie the Fan. Dude is seriously off his rocker, and not in just a message board joking around sense I think he has something seriously wrong with him. He also continuously claimed that he hated Smith and was so happy he was off the team so that people would stop talking about him, yet he comes here to keep talking about Smith and posts more than anyone. He's a dangerously obsessive person, and he always finds some way to interject Kaepernick talk which has absolutely no relevance here. You're gonna hear about that guy one day on the news getting arrested for stalking Kaepernick.

This pretty much sums up how the average CP poster thinks about all of you 49er fans. It's bizarre.

Im not a Geno fan at all, even in college I thought he was fluffed up, but you have to give a kid the benefit of the doubt. I am a huge huge Alex fan. I saw almost every game he played in High school, i saw every game he played in college and pros. Lets be real, he had one of the worst rookie seasons one can remember. 1TD 11picks and i think it was 15 fumbles lost. So Geno gets time and one of the reason he gets it is also because his offense like Alex's at the time lacks serious talent. The D in NY is legit though. I dont think il ever warm up to Geno, but im willing to give him a bit of time.

Sensible.

Alex Smith had 5 different coordinators in 5 years, played on terrible teams, and he had a shoulder injury that wasn't corrected until ~3 years ago.

If we are going to give Alex Smith credit for having been put in a position to succeed and finally realizing his potential the last two seasons as I am inclined to do, then we have to acknowledge that Geno Smith is behind the 8 ball when you consider having been drafted by the Jets and having been significantly overrated going into the draft. He's clearly not ready to start in the league, and too much is being asked of him.

But the entire premise of this thread is "They'll both be starting this year, let's see who's the better QB."

So far, we're seeing it.

Choco....Interceptii

Also sensible. Thanks. I am not going to condemn Geno, even though if forced to bet large sums, I'd bet he fails and flames out of the league. Overall, don't care... just an interesting thing to follow, among many things. :D


That IS hilarious that Clay would start a thread like Geno VS Alex, and then cry about people... oh I don't know.. comparing their play... who'd have thunk it? :doh!:

QB discussions turn into pedophelia accusations, and wishing death upon family members. Awesome!

2009 all over again...awesome

I think this QB can be ok!!!
Your mother's a whore!!!

Now, Alex Smith is a journeyman, because he was traded to only his second team in year 8, and was immediately made the starter.

We need to define what JOURNEYMAN is.

Jake Delhomme was a journey man. Rich Gannon was a journeyman.

Alex Smith is a quality qb. Big difference.

As for the OP. You made this thread far too soon, you had far too much confidence in Geno to overcome obstacles that were not in his control.

Any time you have a power struggle between your head coach and your GM that is instant doom. The Chiefs have seen it with Haley, Pioli, Browns fans have seen it for years, the 49ers fans saw it with Singletary, Baalke.

If they aren't in lock step, its over.

Now, because Geno had a bad game, Rex has gone out and said that the job is not purely Geno's, (which it should be) and that if Sanchez can come back this season, there is a qb battle.

Shrugs.

Geno is screwed until Rex is gone.

All this from an adult male calling himself AlexSmithDynasty.

We survived Denise, this too shall pass.

I agree - this is a QB comparison thread re: Geno vs. Alex, but I think the greater context is "which QB has lasting success? Would Chiefs be better off long term with Geno?"

So in that context, it is fair to compare the 2 QBs, but it is also fair not to hold the rookie to the standard of the Vet. This will serve as a good place for discussing Geno's progress over the years, or until he busts out. Either way, it will take a couple of years at least to see whether the Chiefs would have been better off with Geno Smith.

As somebody who has no faith in Geno Smith to be a solid staring NFL QB, I don't much care either way.

All this from an adult male who has over 41,000 posts on an internet message board...

Did someone find Alex impressive today? Really?

0 turnovers will win you games. He was impressive at times, and down right hideous at times. People underestimate that sometimes not doing the stupid thing(taking a sack, throwing a check down) is the right thing. Field position was a factor because Alex "helped" keep it that way.

Game manager but 2-0

Clay you lost the war.

Completely unimpressive in the 4th. Thank God for special teams.

Yeah, but he is never going to win you a playoff game here with that shit..

He played ok and did not lose the game.. But needing a defense to have 2 turnovers at home, give up 16points and have your punter be the mvp of the game should not be gleeful.

I said before this team would win 6 games regardless of who is QB, that statement included Cassel, the team is good.

And I hope the fans run often and have a good diet, because Smith is going to give you a heart attack at this rate..

Chiefs got the good Smith. Against a defense that harassed and pummeled Eli last week, Alex did pretty well, maintained his composure, didn't turn the ball over. I wish the running game had gotten going but this was a gritty win against a high quality opponent. WHO'S NEXT?????

when was the last time chiefs started 2-0? How many turnovers did Alex commit? Doesn't matter how pretty it is.. he got the job done. Romo had a worse day than alex, but i suppose you'd take his play over alex cause of yardage even if it didn't lead to a win, correct?

It's obvious who won this week.

LMAO .

Chiefs were 2-14 last year

I'll take the win, but Axl is not game-managing to his reputation.

Hah! He just said "the win is all that matters". Of course you did, Axl. Please buy Dustin a beer, thx.

I've been no Alex fan & I've only got to listen to Mitch Holthus. But Alex gets the offensive game ball.

~The crowd was mother ****ing awesome today on the radio feed.

of course he is managing. That was a very good defense he played. They completely locked down the run.

Who cares, HOW it was done. It GOT done.

No Chiefs fan, has any room to bitch. when your record is 2-0, all you can do is smile.

As I said, I'm loving the win but these guys need to tighten up their set(that's one Dane will get/understand).

Really need an Eric Fisher vs. Tavon Austin thread. Fisher sucks and Tavon will be All-Pro. Epic mis-fire with 1.1 pick.

Gawd DAMN wanted Austin as a consolation prize...:banghead:

He's played two games.

I want to love him, but he is horrible. I sure hope he gets exponentially better.

Someone objective.

Now if the thread was labeled Alex vs EJ Manuel this may have some merit. I'd be more disappointed in not taking him. That coming from an Alex cum slurper according the 5 year olds in this forum.

Alex - 0 INTs

Geno - 3 INTs in one quarter alone that cost his team the game.

He had games like that in 2011. Beat the Saints in the playoffs. The Catch III. He has had many games in the last two seasons that were not pretty. But he was also clutch when it counted. He will never be Aaron Rodgers, but he's a decent QB.

Some of you are very sad

The promising thing is....he isn't that bad and only stands improve with more time with the players around him and hopefully improved blocking.

It is just nice having someone not do a handful of things that are ****ing awful.

I am a lil troubled that he is so quick to give up in the pocket it sort of reminds me of Gabbert when he was at Mizzou...also his ability to make throw when he starts going towards a sideline is suspect...if he even makes the attempt.

Having said that I think he gets better as time goes on.

Hey, Pam!!! Aren't you going to update this? WTF? Here, I'll help.

Week 2:

Alex 2-0, 223 passing yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 6.2 YPA, 95.0 rating
Geno, 1-1, 214 passing yards, 0 TD, 3 INT, 6.1 YPA, 27.6 rating

Week 3:

Alex, 3-0, 277 passing yards, 0 TD, 0 INT, 7.8 YPA, 87.0 rating

GENO SMITH IS BACK

http://i.imgur.com/5IZ2EDR.gif

4/5, 72 yards, TD run

I had a feeling he will do well this week.

I'll never understand obsessing over another team's QB.

Good thing we didn't draft him. Over 100 yards in the 1st already.

http://i.imgur.com/bEn1WLj.gif

Nice throw.

9/14, 177 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT

**** the haters. We should have drafted this stud.

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/assets/3268933/gs.gif

The 49ers should of drafted the stud who caught the ball instead of AJ JENKINS........:mad:

Why not just be a Jets fan?

Does Alex Smith make this throw or curl into a ball and take the sack?