How can the jury still be out on that trade? Soler is still on the Royals producing and Wade Davis isn't on the Cubs.

That's mostly been from early season struggles. He's been much better lately, and I'm assuming he will continue to return to his career norms. If he pitches 3.00 ERA or so the rest of the year I would imagine teams would go off of that and not what he did to start the season.

Seriously, man, what the **** are you talking about?

Dayton Moore has sold major assets exactly two times as GM of the Royals:

1) Zack Greinke
2) Wil Myers

Both of those trades were monumental successes and contributed in huge ways to the best five year run of Royals Baseball since the 80s, including two AL Pennants and a WS title.

The next biggest return he has moved was Wade Davis, and Davis’ stock had taken a major hit due to his injury issues in 2016.

Well, after sweeping the Twinks, Ned had to get us back on track in the race to the bottom. Brandon Maurer folks....his line for 2018 is Leonard Pinth Garnell Quality Awful:

Game Appearances: 16. Record: 0-4 with 1 save. 12 innings pitched. 25 hits, 19 runs, 4 homers, 11 walks, 7 Ks, ERA of 14.25. Opposition is hitting .439 against him.

Last night he faced three batters. All three scored.
And he draws a paycheck.

There's GOT to be somebody in Omaha or Arkansas who can do better than this stiff.

Will Meyers trade was still part of buying big league talent. I still see a distinction between buying big league talent and selling. He's had no problem buying, but I personally don't like the track record on selling. I guess he hasn't been a seller that often for us to be too judgemental, although that in and of itself is a problem as well. He has a track record of hanging on to guys for too long and not selling when the opportunity presents itself. The Zack Greinke trade is the only trade where he has gotten a huge return. Even that trade was viewed as less than what should have been expected. In hindsight the trade worked out great, but I don't think you can expect every trade that looks a little light on the return to pay off beyond what is expected.

I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not the only one to suggest Moore is gun shy on pulling off big trades or to question his ability to get a big return.

Unfortunately, teams have to trade for all of his starts, not just the good ones. The return your imagining just isn't going to be there.

Teams trade based on future potential, not what happened in the past. They don't just blindly look at a stat sheet and see a 4.00 era. I'm far from the only person to suggest Duffy will possibly get traded at some point.

The Soler move is looking pretty good as this point.

Yeah! Breaking records!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Worst ERA in Royals history, min. 30 IP:<br>Brandon Maurer 10.41<br>Victor Marte 9.30<br>Tim Byrdak 8.27<br>Hector Wagner 7.83<br>Jonathan Sanchez 7.76<br>Miguel Batista 7.74</p>&mdash; Royals Review (@royalsreview) <a href="https://twitter.com/royalsreview/status/1021601662979465217?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 24, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Damn, no Kyle Davies?

You only get a big return when you sell a big, valuable piece.

Those are literally the only two major pieces Moore has sold during his time as GM.

kcchiefsus I mean okchiefs the biggest dumb **** on this board.

That's kind of a further indictment of Moore, is it not? Other franchises have at least drafted or signed in IFA well enough to have valuable pieces to trade. We're left with a rental player that will get a minimal return (Moustakas) and two decent players that we hope might get a decent return (Duffy and Merrifield).

No way. Put him in everytime we have a lead at this point so we can lose and get that #1 pick. Great way to sandbag.

Bryce Harper. 1.4fWAR and we are 2/3 done. I once claimed he's the most overrated player in MLB....has had only 1 great year. DeezNuts went nuts and screamed how dumb it was.



Was it tho?

Keep moving those goalposts.

Only if you’re trying to be negative about Moore.

They’ve had plenty of pieces that would have commanded huge returns had they moved them, but they didn’t because they were in a contention cycle for the past 7 years.

They could have gotten a ton for Alex Gordon after 2012. Or Hosmer, Moustakas, Cain, Perez, Ventura after 2015. Or Duffy after 2016. etc.

They haven’t sold big because the team hasn’t been a seller of major pieces since 2010/2011.

The closest they came was midseason 2016, when they had a deal lined up with the Nats for Trea Turner or some young OF named Victor Robles and Felipe Rivero and some other pieces (for Cain and Davis). That deal fell apart because Davis’s elbow sent him to the DL for the second time.

Saving OKchiefs the trouble...

Moore should have known Wade's elbow was about to be a problem and traded him earlier.

You are correct that I am pretty negative on Moore. I suppose you're right that we haven't had many opportunities to trade assets before. I'm still skeptical that Moore can pull off some decent trades, but of course I hope I'm wrong. IMO neither Merrifield or Duffy should be on the team a year from now, meaning they should be traded now or at the winter meetings. Barring an injury or complete collapse by either player they both should fetch sizable returns, if Moore is capable of doing so.

You're right, I'm probably being too critical and not fair in my criticism.

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Also someone noticed on Twitter that Duffy's bio doesn't have KC stuff on it anymore...not sure if that means anything.


Edit-He just changed his Twitter handle to duffman and said it wasn't anything to be concerned with.

Hopefully there will be a good offer

If we’re wondering why Herrera was dealt when he was, this could very well be the answer here.

That and I think they really liked Blake Perkins and the young arm they got for him.

Perkins is .280/.417/.383 with 8 SB in 150 PAs or so as a Royals prospect. Pair that type of profile with his defense, and you’ve got a potential above-average starting CF/leadoff man.

I'm sure you could have Tyler Chatwood.

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And that's why we can't ****ing develop pitchers.

Not trying to go all CP in May("Jake Junis is a CY Young candidate!")but it's nice to see some of these young pitchers stepping up lately.

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If not for Maurer we'd have a 5 game winning streak.

Welcome to Kansas City, Brian.

Yankees get more for their pen. Jesus

PB and Mecca will jump on board when the Royals win again and act like they never said anything about Moore. That's how most betas behave.

When we're finally winning again 4-5 years from now?

Undefeated the rest of the way.

They're just going to take the Royals strategy to the extreme. Starters need to go 3, bullpen will finish it out. They have 4 legit closers now, plus Green and Holder who are pitching just as well, if not better, than the other guys.

So I read the Orioles got a better return than we did for Herrera. If so, can anyone explain why he was more valuable or worth a better return?

Yankees may have had to pay a premium to get him from a divisional foe. Also, and he may not ever be as good as he was but if so, prime Britton is better than prime Herrera, I think.

Perhaps, I just saw a comparison on Twitter that showed them being pretty similar, with Herrera having a better track record of staying healthy.

Yeah Britton has health concerns. But if they get the 2016 edition Britton(probably unlikely)that's a total game changer.

You're just relentlessly looking for things to pick apart, aren't you?

I think there's probably a fair debate about whether he is better than Herrera this year, but there's no doubt Britton has more name value. He's also left handed and throws a nasty mid 90s bowling ball sinker. He's only two seasons removed from maybe the best season by a reliever, ever. He also has the lowest career ERA of any relief pitcher in baseball history. Most fans of other teams would probably ask you why you think Herrera deserved a significantly better package than Britton.

If you want to see some late night carnage, the Dodgers and Phillies are in the 16th inning. Dodgers are out of pitchers so they just brought in a position player, Kike Hernandez, to pitch. He's never pitched before.

26k at the k tonite

To see these garbage teams

Good work fans

Why didnt we put in Maurer? We ended up winning because he didnt get to close. God damn it, Ned. Maurer is our best hope to tank. Pitch him anytime the game is on the line.

Well, that went about as expected(which as a guy who likes the Dbacks, I'm totally fine with)

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To see this garbage post

Good work CP

Here's the deal Baltimore took guys closer to the majors for Britton and in doing that they benefited from how good the Yankees system is. They get Tate and Rogers as those guys were unlikely to survive 40 man moves after the season since they have much higher thought of guys going to those spots.

It seems like some of the top potential SP available like Happ and Hamels have cooled off as of late. With a strong start tonight I could see Duffy getting some buzz as one of the top arms available.

Duffy’s start will be interesting to watch tonight. There’s some buzz about a trade being worked on. Will have to watch for him getting pulled from the game at an odd time, or possibly scratched right before his start . . . . .

Red Sox traded for Nathan Eovaldi. Come on Yanks, pony up for Duffy so you can keep up.

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DONT HASSLE THE HOZ


now down to -0.8 fWAR. It's a disastrous year for faux-hawk. Just cracked 100k....and it's July 25. (He K 104, 132, 108, 93 his last 4 full seasons here). K rate has gone from 16.9% to 23.2%.


He's now 157th most valuable regular out of 161. Alshittys is one of the 4 shittier players btw. And Hoz defensive metrics? Still shit! So we can drop the tired excuse he "guarded the line" a lot late in our games cause our bullpen was so good.



One last thing: he's 1st of 161 regulars in GB/Fly ratio. 3.56x

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The KC #Royals say they have no intention in trading starter Danny Duffy, and plan to keep him in KC.

I really hope this is just a negotiating tactic and not their true intent.

Wonder who's going to be taking Moustakas to the prom.

Level of interest for Moustakas is only a good thing. Should inflate the price a bit, though I still wouldn’t expect anything huge.

Something along the Britton/Herrera lines seems likely to me, but JmO.

I'm one of those guys that believe "if it's not broke, don't fix it". I like the results from the five starters since the all star break;

Duffy
Junis
Keller
Filmyer
B. Smith.

Three rookies and a second year guy. Duffy is the veteran.
I'd ride this until one of them falls apart.

But what's the point in holding on to a valuable asset when clearly the entire team is broken? Duffy's almost 30, do we really think he's going to headline our rotation by the time we're competitive again? Heck, he's probably a free agent by the time we're any good. There's also a high chance of him finally breaking down or at least declining with age before we're competitive, so I'd rather get a good return while we have a chance. Of course you don't trade him if you get shitty offers.

I'd be pleased with a similar return to what we got for Herrera considering many people didn't really expect much of a market for Moose.

You make good points. But, if there is any chance that Duffy is having an affect on those other four young starters, in my opinion, he'd be worth keeping. And, it's not like Duffy has to be traded during this season or even this off season. You could trade him July of 2019.

They better listen for Duffy or try to trade him in the off-season

I like Duffy, but I don't trust him. If someone pays up, I'll take it.

Spiked into the ground straight to the 2B probably.

I would absolutely listen to trades for both Duffy and Perez in the offseason.

We won't be anywhere close to being ready to compete before both of these guys lose the majority of their value in the next 3 years. Clear the entire board and start over.

Fangraphs says the 2 they got were 40 future value (scale of 80). Just as Gutierrez and Perkins were. Same damn trade.

What if the Yankees came calling for Perez in the next few days? With Sanchez's issues, you have to wonder if they might be in the mood for an upgrade at that position.

Guy just has to hit the ball in the air. That is literally about it.

You'll get more if someone is desperate now AND with years of control. You don't need them AT ALL this year if you are the Royals.

This is exactly what I was thinking with the Yankees and the Sanchez situation.

Yankees will upgrade their catcher position by calling in the backup with a .800 OPS before calling the Royals about Perez.

Fair enough. Didn't know what the Yankees had behind Sanchez. The dude playing now doesn't have very impressive numbers.

Duffy tanking his trade value again

Too much to ask our highly paid top of the rotation pitcher to do his job.

Apparently Danny wants all of us to be buried with him.

If the right deal is out there now, I'm all for it.

You do have to wonder how much of his lazy bullshit they'll put up with before they look to move him.

It's just damn tough to convince yourself to move on from a guy with the ability to make a Piazza caliber impact offensively. His attitude is just so damn bad and has been for awhile now.

I mean, Perez for Sanchez doesn't get done. Perez and Duffy for Sanchez likely doesn't get much traction either unless they're just damn tired of him. The Yankees don't have a real need for Whit and the Royals don't have much to offer outside of that.

They should try to ship him to Miami for Realmuto just as a stick in his eye. I haven't seen a guy as indifferent out there since...well, Dexter Fowler. But before Dexter Fowler, I've not seen it since Hanley Ramirez got himself traded out of Miami.

I have had an epiphany.


Having a player like Salvy on your roster as a catcher.. isn't exactly optimal.

He's too good defensively to not put behind home plate, but you can't run him out every day because -wouldn't you know it- the physical demands of the position are arduous.

You can't give him too much rest because his bat is historically too good to sacrifice for multiple days. Fine, so you DH him or stick him at first... but what happens when the backup catcher gets hurt midgame? You're then down a catcher and you lose the DH for that game.

So then you Gattis/Schwarber the guy and make him a full time player at another position or be the full time DH. But that's assuming he's not a liability at another position defensively and his bat is comparable offensively to other full time players at those spots.

If I'm a GM, why should I tell scouts to look for prospects like proto-Salvy when I should probably be looking for proto-Cervellis?

Disclaimer: this epiphany is independent of DJ's post. I just got around to posting it now and didn't see his commentary. I am in no way, shape or form influenced by the evil takes of a Cardinals fan.

Over selling Perez's bat, no?

Sal was one of the most consistent parts of the Royals lineup from 2013-2017.

As in "his bat is too good compared to the rest of the 25-man roster".

Fair enough.