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ClevelandBronco 12-07-2022 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16653274)
… I dont think employers should be able to fire somebody just because they are charged. They SHOULD have to be convicted or take a plea before they are allowed to take action …

Is it safe to assume that you're not an employer?

Straight, No Chaser 12-08-2022 05:12 AM

1 1/2 hours… black & blue bruises around and on the throat area.

“…The lawsuit states that Araiza, who was 21 at the time, then took her inside the home, where at least three other men, including the other two defendants named in the suit -- Araiza's then-Aztecs teammates Zavier Leonard and Nowlin Ewaliko -- were located, and that she was repeatedly raped for about 1˝ hours. An initial crime report obtained by ESPN said the girl sustained "severe black and blue bruising to her neck and throat region," in addition to a half-inch laceration to her upper forehead. She had bruising on her right leg and noted "vaginal pain and bleeding from the incident."


http://https://www.espn.com/college-...gang-rape-case

TwistedChief 12-08-2022 05:38 AM

Some of you guys.... LOL.

So if he's found guilty in the civil case that's going to follow, only then can we believe that perhaps he had done something?

I really bet none of you make judgments in your life in any capacity without the full weight of the justice system to guide you.

Dunerdr 12-08-2022 06:57 AM

Can he kick field goals? Bring him in for a look?

chiefzilla1501 12-08-2022 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16653274)
We are increasingly living in a society where any accusation will ruin anyone's career. Now sometimes where there is smoke where there is fire but I dont think employers should be able to fire somebody just because they are charged. They SHOULD have to be convicted or take a plea before they are allowed to take action. I realize thst is not the world we live in but this is the entire reason we have a justice system.

Also contrary to popular belief the age of consent in almost every state is not 18. In this case the accuser was 17. 21 vs 17 is rarely a statutory case in most states, which should make sense to anyone who was that age before.

Ok, then consider that he had sex with a minor. Did so knowing he had STDs. And by all indications had rough enough sex that she was bruised up. You don’t have to have a guilty charge to raise red flags as an employer.

lawrenceRaider 12-08-2022 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 16653142)
Where do you stand on people who have been charged, but not convicted, of crimes?

Innocent until proven guilty. Too many times we've been told ABC and then when the facts actually come out it is XYZ. This used to be a ground rock principle in this country, and is a constitutional right. Mob justice is not justice.

This case sucks because of a bungling SDPD we won't ever really know the truth.

I lean towards something probably happened, but we really don't know.

lawrenceRaider 12-08-2022 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Straight, No Chaser (Post 16653340)
1 1/2 hours… black & blue bruises around and on the throat area.

“…The lawsuit states that Araiza, who was 21 at the time, then took her inside the home, where at least three other men, including the other two defendants named in the suit -- Araiza's then-Aztecs teammates Zavier Leonard and Nowlin Ewaliko -- were located, and that she was repeatedly raped for about 1˝ hours. An initial crime report obtained by ESPN said the girl sustained "severe black and blue bruising to her neck and throat region," in addition to a half-inch laceration to her upper forehead. She had bruising on her right leg and noted "vaginal pain and bleeding from the incident."


http://https://www.espn.com/college-...gang-rape-case

Part of a story isn't the whole story. Assumptions are just that.

I hope the girl wins the civil case if the evidence backs it up. Rapists, especially gang rapists, have a special place in hell.

chiefzilla1501 12-08-2022 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 16653379)
Innocent until proven guilty. Too many times we've been told ABC and then when the facts actually come out it is XYZ. This used to be a ground rock principle in this country, and is a constitutional right. Mob justice is not justice.

This case sucks because of a bungling SDPD we won't ever really know the truth.

I lean towards something probably happened, but we really don't know.

In this case we know what happened. The courts just didn’t know if it qualifies as rape. They have a recorded phone call, documentation of her bruises and a rape kit. I don’t know if this means he should be permanently canceled but there seems to be plenty of evidence to show what happened. It’s more the illegal intent that’s unproven.

notorious 12-08-2022 07:31 AM

It is possible to sit back and not take a stance.

Brian Banks, Duke LaCrosse, etc.

I personally had friends in college that ****ed around with some girls that were underaged. The thing is, they looked like college girls, acted like college girls. Hell, I would have nailed one of them if so inclined.

They got in trouble for sneaking out one night by their parents, and guess who got blamed for ALL of their problems, stuff that had nothing to do with them. Said that my friends got them drunk and took advantage of them. Thing is they came by in the middle of the day to screw all the time. During school. All bullshit.

Ruined one guys life and the other was smart and denied everything.

Wallcrawler 12-08-2022 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 16653141)
I can’t even……

This is America, Jack. Not Belize.

Chitownchiefsfan 12-08-2022 09:19 AM

The problem is that rape is one of the hardest things to prove without a doubt in the eyes of the law. Even if the victim does everything right the attacker can go free due to "lack of evidence"

The truth is all of us know someone that has been raped or sexually assaulted and nothing ever happened to the attacker. I think that's why the mob mentality is so strong with things like this. Because we all know or are someone who has been in a similar situation.

Marcellus 12-08-2022 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by RedinTexas (Post 16653098)
Unfortunately, the fact that they're not pressing the charges doesn't mean the guy is innocent. I'm not saying he's guilty. We just don't know that he's innocent.

Innocent until proven guilty is one of the main concepts this country was founded on. You shouldn't give an inch on this concept, not an inch.

Wallcrawler 12-08-2022 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16653343)
Some of you guys.... LOL.

So if he's found guilty in the civil case that's going to follow, only then can we believe that perhaps he had done something?

I really bet none of you make judgments in your life in any capacity without the full weight of the justice system to guide you.

I guess just keep your fingers crossed that nobody makes an accusation against you of this caliber.

In the meantime, judge away, your honor.

Bearcat 12-08-2022 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler (Post 16653544)
I guess just keep your fingers crossed that nobody makes an accusation against you of this caliber.

In the meantime, judge away, your honor.

Well, most people don't get trashed at parties and proceed to have "consensual" sex with another trashed person, and are decent enough people overall to never have to worry about such a thing happening.

And I don't like the social media pressure mob mentality of consequences now and figure it out later, but also putting this in such a way where just anyone can be accused of rape is also ridiculous.

(also not saying it was definitely rape or whatever, but acting like it's black and white is dumb)

Wallcrawler 12-08-2022 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 16653199)

1:50 and 2:48

Good watch for idiots like DJ, Belizeboy, and the honorable judge twistedchief.


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