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JakeF 02-07-2019 03:37 PM
He should already be in the operating room. I wonder if he'll decide to have the surgery right before next season so it locks the Chiefs into paying another year of his contract?

Screwing the team after it took care of you, nice.

Hydrae 02-07-2019 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14096091)
You guys do know that if he retires, he still counts against the cap, right?
Unless they go after him to pay back the remaining bonus money:

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Originally Posted by https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/pittsburgh-steelers-nfl-features-news-blog-long-form/2016/3/5/11158958/nfl-101-how-cuts-retirements-and-trades-affect-the-salary-cap
When a player retires, the team has the option to pursue the return of a portion of the signing bonus equal to the unplayed portions of the contract, and that money is no longer counted against the salary cap. This is typically done through an arbitrator.

link: https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...the-salary-cap

htismaqe 02-07-2019 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Hydrae (Post 14096242)
Unless they go after him to pay back the remaining bonus money:

When a player retires, the team has the option to pursue the return of a portion of the signing bonus equal to the unplayed portions of the contract, and that money is no longer counted against the salary cap. This is typically done through an arbitrator.

Source: https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...the-salary-cap
Good luck with that. No arbitrator is going to rule against a guy that's hurt. Do you remember what happened with Barry Sanders and the crap they went through trying to get his bonus back? And he was HEALTHY when he just up and quit.

Hydrae 02-07-2019 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14096247)
Good luck with that. No arbitrator is going to rule against a guy that's hurt. Do you remember what happened with Barry Sanders and the crap they went through trying to get his bonus back? And he was HEALTHY when he just up and quit.
Ok, the rest of that paragraph:

This is known as the "Barry Sanders Rule" because this is exactly how the situation played out in his case, as he was required to pay back a portion of his bonus. The difference between now and then is there was no precedent when Sanders played; now, it's explicitly written into the CBA to allow for this arbitration.

Hog's Gone Fishin 02-07-2019 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 14095804)
Why the **** has it taken this long?

What the **** has he been doing?
I agree with this. He should have had surgery Jan 11th

htismaqe 02-07-2019 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Hydrae (Post 14096250)
Ok, the rest of that paragraph:

This is known as the "Barry Sanders Rule" because this is exactly how the situation played out in his case, as he was required to pay back a portion of his bonus. The difference between now and then is there was no precedent when Sanders played; now, it's explicitly written into the CBA to allow for this arbitration.
Right. Berry Sanders retired after the 1998 season. He missed the entire 1999 season and an arbitrator didn't rule on his case until FEBRUARY 2000.

Even then, the arbitrator ruled he had to pay back $1.8M of his $11M signing bonus (1999).

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...022-story.html

Berry retiring does not help the Chiefs. At all.

Buehler445 02-07-2019 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by bowener (Post 14096036)
In your experience with medical treatments, how fast did things get done for you, especially if it was a nonemergency surgery? How fast do you think your treatments or surgeries would take if you are waiting in line to have the best doctor do those treatments or surgeries? Now imagine for that doctor to check you physically you have to travel 1500 or more miles to do it. Now imagine you are signed to a multimillion-dollar contract and if this surgeon is wrong you may be out millions of dollars. Do you get a second opinion?
These dudes aren’t on the standard county hospital timeframe. After a dude close an ack he has surgery within the week.

Chief Roundup 02-07-2019 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14096169)
Which is what they need to do.

The last thing the Chiefs need is for him to retire, even though that would appease some of the whiners here.
Why?

There is not much difference. Chiefs would owe the remainder of his signing bonus money on the cap that could be spread out over two years.
If he retires the Chiefs can force him to give back the signing bonus for the years he didn't play which could give us that salary cap space as well.

Marcellus 02-07-2019 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14096169)
Which is what they need to do.

The last thing the Chiefs need is for him to retire, even though that would appease some of the whiners here.
Retirement is basically the same effect as a post June 1st cut I believe, it creates dead money but relieves cap space to some extent.

htismaqe 02-07-2019 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 14096285)
Why?

There is not much difference. Chiefs would owe the remainder of his signing bonus money on the cap that could be spread out over two years.
If he retires the Chiefs can force him to give back the signing bonus for the years he didn't play which could give us that salary cap space as well.
Because precedent says the Chiefs can only get back the signing bonus for the years he DOESN'T play, not didn't play.

Meaning, they get ZERO relief in 2019. And then have to see an arbitrator in 2020 to try and get his bonus back for 2019.

The Lions got $1.8M back once a year until his contract was up, not counting the first year. All while his contract still counted 100% against their cap.

htismaqe 02-07-2019 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 14096292)
Retirement is basically the same effect as a post June 1st cut I believe, it creates dead money but relieves cap space to some extent.
Nope.

Retirement creates no cap relief at all until they go through arbitration and then it's spread out based on contingencies like him not playing again.

CoMoChief 02-07-2019 04:09 PM
Hopefully the Oneida tribes can fix his spirits up there.

htismaqe 02-07-2019 04:14 PM
Actually, it appears the retirement works like a PRE-June 1st cut. Meaning they'd be on the hook immediately and can't spread it over 2 years. Finding conflicting information though, of course.

Hydrae 02-07-2019 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14096313)
Actually, it appears the retirement works like a PRE-June 1st cut. Meaning they'd be on the hook immediately and can't spread it over 2 years. Finding conflicting information though, of course.
It is based on when he files the retirement paperwork. After June 1 still works but it can't be designated like a cut can (I don't think, not sure).

Marcellus 02-07-2019 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14096298)
Nope.

Retirement creates no cap relief at all until they go through arbitration and then it's spread out based on contingencies like him not playing again.
If he plans to not play he could let KC cut him with post June 1 designation and not sign with anyone else and file his retirement papers later in the year.


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