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Coogs 04-09-2017 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ASS11 (Post 12816544)
In this case it's actually true, though.

And if we reach for a middling prospect this year, there's a very good chance we blow our shot at a real first round prospect next year.

The best play to is to trade our 2017 1st for a 2018 1st and then use that ammo to try and move up in 2018.

Who is going to be there at 27 that someone would want to trade a potential high 1st round pick next year for?

Eureka 04-09-2017 02:18 PM

Chiefs could find their Carr. Why not draft 2 QB's if their there. Redskins did it in 2012 with RGIII and Cousins. Bottom line is the Chiefs need to try and develop their own QB.

In the Playoffs last year the Chiefs were the only team to play with a QB they didn't draft. Miami played with there backup who they didn't draft I believe. Tananhill who they drafted would've helped them as well as Carr would've improved the Raiders chances. I see a pattern here.

Patriots -Brady
Oakland-Cook
Steelers-Big Ben
Texans-Savage

Miamai-Moore (not drafted/not the starter)
Chiefs-Smith (not drafted)

Falcons-Ryan
Cowboys-Prescott
Packers-Rogers
Seahawks-Wilson
Lions-Stafford
Giants-Eli

Hammock Parties 04-09-2017 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 12816657)
Who is going to be there at 27 that someone would want to trade a potential high 1st round pick next year for?

I don't know dude. You never know who a team has on their draft board or who is going to fall.

Look at the bags of shit these teams traded future first round picks for:

Jason Campbell
Tony Ugoh
Alphonse Smith
Everette Brown
Mark Ingram

The best of that group was Joe Staley.

History says the Chiefs can absolutely trade #27 for a first round pick in 2018.

RunKC 04-09-2017 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12816600)
Financially doesn't make sense if your QB has to sit for 2 years. You figure year 3 is then basically a rookie year, and your having to make decisions on a contract without really knowing what you've got.

I'm all for not playing a guy till he's ready, but if it's more than a year, I'm not interested. Especially for a first round pick.

It's hard to find guys that are ready to go that quickly. If anything, a QB's first year or two won't be good anyway.

It's all about drafting good players most of the time. Hell Houston and Peters alone are going to cost a shit ton of $$ combined in 2-3 years.

Coogs 04-09-2017 02:26 PM

Not a fan of trading back to the 4th round (110) for a 1st next year, that may or may not turn into a QB.

I also think if anyone is trading back into the 1st, it is going to be to get in front of Houston, or with Seattle to get in front of us.

Hammock Parties 04-09-2017 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 12816678)
Not a fan of trading back to the 4th round (110) for a 1st next year, that may or may not turn into a QB.

Huh? What happened to our second and third round picks? We're not giving those up.

O.city 04-09-2017 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12816675)
It's hard to find guys that are ready to go that quickly. If anything, a QB's first year or two won't be good anyway.

It's all about drafting good players most of the time. Hell Houston and Peters alone are going to cost a shit ton of $$ combined in 2-3 years.

How many guys have had to sit 2 years? 1 year sure, although I still think you learn more by playing but a year is fine.

Every qb that has failed and has been said "if they'd have sit a year to be ready they'd have been good" has been on or in shitty situations

Coogs 04-09-2017 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ASS11 (Post 12816681)
Huh? What happened to our second and third round picks? We're not giving those up.

I just used NE trading their 1st for pick #110 and a 1st the following year.

Hammock Parties 04-09-2017 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 12816690)
I just used NE trading their 1st for pick #110 and a 1st the following year.

Yeah. They kept their 2nd and 3rd round picks bud. You make it sound like the Chiefs trade 1, 2 and 3 when you say "trade back to the 4th"

You lose your first round pick, but you get another one the following year. That's the point.

What player are the Chiefs going draft at #27 that will have more potential impact than a franchise QB in 2018?

The draft is always a crapshoot, a gamble. Gamble big. You can package two 1st rounders in 2018 and your 2019 1st to move up into the top 10 if need be. You can ABSOLUTELY go and get yourself a QB if you have the balls.

Coogs 04-09-2017 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ASS11 (Post 12816696)
Yeah. They kept their 2nd and 3rd round picks bud. You make it sound like the Chiefs trade 1, 2 and 3 when you say "trade back to the 4th"

You lose your first round pick, but you get another one the following year. That's the point.

What player are the Chiefs going draft at #27 that will have more potential impact than a franchise QB in 2018?

The draft is always a crapshoot, a gamble. Gamble big. You can package two 1st rounders in 2018 and your 2019 1st to move up into the top 10 if need be. You can ABSOLUTELY go and get yourself a QB if you have the balls.

Didn't mean to make it sound that way. I knew we would still have our 2nd and two 3rds this year.

Just not a fan of your plan right now. Now come draft day I might be... depending on who is still available after the Browns and Cards pick at 12 and 13.

SAUTO 04-09-2017 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12816600)
Financially doesn't make sense if your QB has to sit for 2 years. You figure year 3 is then basically a rookie year, and your having to make decisions on a contract without really knowing what you've got.

I'm all for not playing a guy till he's ready, but if it's more than a year, I'm not interested. Especially for a first round pick.

I'm not advocating for them to sit two years, sit one. But the next year there will probably be some growing pains.

O.city 04-09-2017 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 12816743)
I'm not advocating for them to sit two years, sit one. But the next year there will probably be some growing pains.

Yeah and that's fine. Put a good d around him, better running game and the weapons they have and ease him in

SAUTO 04-09-2017 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12816756)
Yeah and that's fine. Put a good d around him, better running game and the weapons they have and ease him in

So basically you are getting a jump start of a year if they think a guy this year is good enough

Rain Man 04-09-2017 03:05 PM

The greatest thing about the future is hope. All is possible in the future.

RunKC 04-09-2017 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASS11 (Post 12816696)
Yeah. They kept their 2nd and 3rd round picks bud. You make it sound like the Chiefs trade 1, 2 and 3 when you say "trade back to the 4th"

You lose your first round pick, but you get another one the following year. That's the point.

What player are the Chiefs going draft at #27 that will have more potential impact than a franchise QB in 2018?

The draft is always a crapshoot, a gamble. Gamble big. You can package two 1st rounders in 2018 and your 2019 1st to move up into the top 10 if need be. You can ABSOLUTELY go and get yourself a QB if you have the balls.

And then 1/4 guys doesn't declare while NYJ, Jags and 49ers take the other 3 amd we're stuck with our dick in our hand.


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