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nmt1 01-27-2005 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Manila-Chief
The Planet is a much better read and more factual...

This is funny!

nmt1 01-27-2005 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief
And that 'football guy' has done so much better than that 'fan'. :rolleyes:

Peterson makes token efforts.

Looks to me like they've both done the same, 0 for 0 in Superbowls. Oh wait I forgot, it's OK to not win the Superbowl as long as you keep fans interested and make the team worth a lot of money.

nmt1 01-27-2005 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief
None of that sh*t matters. Rufus' point was "here are 3 teams that get it done without spending in FA". That's simply not true. Trading fits into the same category, it's just spending draft picks instead of money.

And if FA is so unneccessary to winning, why did the Superbowl champions go out and get a FA? Why did the team that made the NFC championship game 3 years straight go out and get two huge name guys?

I'm not arguing whether it's the proper method to build a team or not. I'm simply saying that Dawes gave examples that contradicted his theory, rather than support it.

I don't see where Rufus said the team shouldn't use free agency to help build the team. I did see him say the some of the free agents pimped by Whitlock have not amounted to much.

HC_Chief 01-27-2005 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by nmt1
Looks to me like they've both done the same, 0 for 0 in Superbowls. Oh wait I forgot, it's OK to not win the Superbowl as long as you keep fans interested and make the team worth a lot of money.

Like you said, Peterson is supposed to be a 'football' guy - Snyder is just some stupid 'fan'. Which is worse: a fan who spends money to bring in BIG NAME free agents, but hasn't won anything of significance, or a 'football guy' who makes minimal efforts in free agency year-over-year and hasn't won anything of significance?

I say the latter is worse. The 'football guy' should know his stuff - he should bring success to the field. He hasn't.

Manila-Chief 01-27-2005 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief
Like you said, Peterson is supposed to be a 'football' guy - Snyder is just some stupid 'fan'. Which is worse: a fan who spends money to bring in BIG NAME free agents, but hasn't won anything of significance, or a 'football guy' who makes minimal efforts in free agency year-over-year and hasn't won anything of significance?

I say the latter is worse. The 'football guy' should know his stuff - he should bring success to the field. He hasn't.

Agree .... and how many years has Snyder been at this compared to Kingless? With Gibbs as coach and Snyder willing to help him win ... I'd say D.C. has a better chance of winning a S.B.

HC_Chief 01-27-2005 10:39 AM

I don't think Gibbs will be nearly as successful as he once was. His glory days were pre-cap. He used to 'hide' players on IR for years. Can't do that any more - new rules are in place; the loopholes he employed no longer exist. It will be interesting to see how long he lasts in the 'new' NFL. Again, I think Snyder made an error in judgement re: HC. One of these days, he'll get it right.

jspchief 01-27-2005 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by nmt1
I don't see where Rufus said the team shouldn't use free agency to help build the team. I did see him say the some of the free agents pimped by Whitlock have not amounted to much.

He may not have said it outright, but it sure seems to be the meat of his (and Gretz's) article.

If he really is just trying to convince us that we don't need Law, maybe he should concentrate his article on why we don't want Law. Instead, he's decided to try and paint FA in a bad light, and make it look like the recipe for success doesn't include free agency.

Personally, I think this is just the front office PR machine preparing us for KC not even glancing in Law's direction. I don't like that. I don't like these FO mouth pieces spinning, under the guise of journalism. It's that much more hypocritical and bush that in the sane breath they take shots at other journalists' proffesionalism.

I could care less if we got Law. I've never been big on him. I do however think we need to get some talent on the field through FA, and for once I'd like it to be something other than second tier guys.

shaneo69 01-27-2005 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by nmt1
Looks to me like they've both done the same, 0 for 0 in Superbowls. Oh wait I forgot, it's OK to not win the Superbowl as long as you keep fans interested and make the team worth a lot of money.

Snyder has had 6 years, Peterson 16. I'm willing to bet that with his "winning isn't everything, it's the only thing" attitude, he'll get a Super Bowl win in the next decade.

He's got a HOF coach, Pro-Bowl RB, up-and-coming QB, and a top 5 defense. A Super Bowl is inevitable. Just like you can hate Steinbrenner with a passion, but you know he'll have another World Series ring sooner or later because he settles for nothing less.

Manila-Chief 01-27-2005 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by nmt1
You're saying that Peterson doesn't actively pursue improvement? You can't be serious about that. You can't tell me, objectively, that Peterson doesn't try to improve the Chiefs.
The thing is, you don't agree with the way Peterson trys to improve the team. The only difference between Peterson and Snyder is that Peterson is a football guy and Snyder is a fan.

This is not a quesiton but my point ... And, how many D players did Kingless add last off season. Also, where was Kingless during the first week or so of F.A.?

Point ... he didn't even TRY to upgrade the defense. That worked out well, didn't it. I know he couldn't sign every player he wanted but last off season he didn't even try and we lost a season of opportunity.

We have maybe one more year with our O. We need a quality D to help us win a S.B. while the opportunity is there.

Point is Kingless is only interested in filling seats so the bottom line can remain fat. He is less interested in winning a S.B.

Manila-Chief 01-27-2005 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief
I don't think Gibbs will be nearly as successful as he once was. His glory days were pre-cap. He used to 'hide' players on IR for years. Can't do that any more - new rules are in place; the loopholes he employed no longer exist. It will be interesting to see how long he lasts in the 'new' NFL. Again, I think Snyder made an error in judgement re: HC. One of these days, he'll get it right.

I do not disagree with you ... but on the other hand ... Gibbs was smart enough to work the system and I think he has that same insight in the cap area. New England's BB seems to be able to work the system....

Plus, unlike Marty ... Gibbs has won it all.

KCTitus 01-27-2005 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by shaneo69
Snyder has had 6 years, Peterson 16. I'm willing to bet that with his "winning isn't everything, it's the only thing" attitude, he'll get a Super Bowl win in the next decade.

He's got a HOF coach, Pro-Bowl RB, up-and-coming QB, and a top 5 defense. A Super Bowl is inevitable. Just like you can hate Steinbrenner with a passion, but you know he'll have another World Series ring sooner or later because he settles for nothing less.

Cant compare football and baseball...Steinbrenner just outspends everyone and has the money to afford the flops.

HC_Chief 01-27-2005 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Manila-Chief
I do not disagree with you ... but on the other hand ... Gibbs was smart enough to work the system and I think he has that same insight in the cap area. New England's BB seems to be able to work the system....

Plus, unlike Marty ... Gibbs has won it all.

We'll see. He is definitely a bright guy and a proven winner. I was surprised when he came back - his NASCAR team has been a huge success.

He does have a couple of things going for him: an envigorated fanbase, an owner willing to give him whatever he asks for, a very good defense, and a superstar RB. What he really needs to do now is fix that offensive line. If he can get that done w/o having to dismantle the D, that team will be solid.

I'm still not sold on Ramsay.

TEX 01-27-2005 10:54 AM

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That’s the Patriots way, and the Steelers way and the Eagles way. Everybody is expendable in their eyes and they quickly part company with starters, all-pros, and such and move to backups. It seems to have worked well, don’t you think?
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Um.... to do that you MUST DRAFT WELL. The CHIEFS don't, so to even use that as an argument in the CHIEFS case is moot. :shake:

KCTitus 01-27-2005 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief
We'll see. He is definitely a bright guy and a proven winner. I was surprised when he came back - his NASCAR team has been a huge success.

He does have a couple of things going for him: an envigorated fanbase, an owner willing to give him whatever he asks for, a very good defense, and a superstar RB. What he really needs to do now is fix that offensive line. If he can get that done w/o having to dismantle the D, that team will be solid.

I'm still not sold on Ramsay.

I can tell you the fan base, at least those that are vocal (the sports talk callers) are not happy with Gibbs.

Bootlegged 01-27-2005 10:56 AM

I'm waiting for the Drafting 101; The Chiefs Way article from Rufus/Gretz.


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