i see .... back your basic stance on everything chiefs related

fans need STFD and STFU ..... speak only when spoken to ... cheer during game day ... no opinions allowed.

damn you are such a friggin crybaby. Fans need to to be realistic and realize that what we couldv'e done is a waste of time. I think the reason why you and others do it is so you can just bitch for bitchings sake.

I never stated that losing Roaf hurt us.

We're DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED, I tell you.

Or perhaps not. :shrug:

It is what it is. A hell of a test for the new HC, and this team.

stevieray gets nasty in 3 .... 2 ... 1 ....



the absolute nature of his own position makes it a pretty mandatory response.

Could have. Then again, they could have and probably should have been prepared for this eventuality anway, or the fact that Roaf was becoming more and more of an injury risk. I don't put any of this on Roaf.

I tend to agree about the timing of the retirement. While I very much appreciate what Roaf has done for the Chiefs, I wish he would have retired before the draft so the Chiefs would've had a better idea of their needs. It may not have changed their decisions, but it may well have done so.

Marcus Allen did the same thing to the Chiefs, and it kind of ticked me off then, too.

i was just putting BSpimps comment back into context.


Roaf has earned his respect and the ability to leave the game how he chooses.

got nuttin by love for meatRoaf. :)

I am going to stick with the belief that Roaf wants no part of training camp, and is going to change his mind in the coming days/weeks.

Denile? Maybe.

Strikes me that the chiefs are gonna have an average O-line rather than the best or 2nd best or whatever.

They'll just need to improve in other areas.

The player has to look out for himself. Which is worse?

1. Announcing your retirement early, and then thinking "ah what the heck" and coming back after the Chiefs take a 1st or 2nd round tackle, when we REALLY needed defensive help.

2. Announcing right before training camp that you're just not up to the task, and you're going to retire.

I never said that his opinion was wrong, or that he didn't have the right to it, just that I've never understood those kinds of comments...if anyone took a statement out context, it was you.

Ironic that the absolute nature of your position makes it a pretty mandatory response.

I believe that Willie was hoping to play, his body just didn't recover in time.

That's precisely what happened, IMO.

I agree with both you and Stevie. Does not make the teams situation any less desperate, you don't lose both OTs in the same offseason and not expect a precipitous drop-off in offense especially when one of your three remaining o-lineman is so long in the tooth that he showed a major drop off last year for almost half the season.

Dude, we had a whole season last year to try and figure out what to do when Roaf wasn't on the field. They came up w/nuttin! Tony G had to help block and it took our #2 receiver completely away. He had 2 TDs because Roaf was hurt. It cost us a playoff spot and possible SB. Yeah, I'd say this is a pretty damn big deal. They just went from 11 wins to 7 or 8 with this retirement.

Can u say "rebuilding"?