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shaneo69 12-13-2006 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd
Yep, the Chiefs were the only team to pass on him.

Yeah, but of all the teams that passed on Montana, the Chiefs were one of a select few that passed on him to take a different QB. In the 1st round. That makes the Chiefs blunder much worse IMO, since most of teams that passed on him didn't need a QB at the time.

el borracho 12-13-2006 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief
Man King Carl has really whiffed on DT's2001 - Eric Downing DT R3
2002 - Ryan Sims DT R1
2004 - Junior Siavii DT R2
Add this to the recent list of DT's taken...What year was Freeman DT taken in the 2nd round?

It's reminiscient of our RB futility of the 90s. Carl just can't seem to find a good one.

milkman 12-13-2006 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo
Montana did'nt go until the latter rounds of the 1979 draft.

We took blackledge over Moon, Marino and Kelly I do believe.

(Poor a little more salt in that wound)

When did 3rd round become a "latter" round?

And who the hell drafted Moon?

CosmicPal 12-13-2006 12:22 PM

Well, to be honest, it isn't fair to just pick a player. Also, anyone picked in round 5 or later, shouldn't be allowed. Their chances of making the team aren't strong to begin with.

But, you have to make an honest assessment with each pick. For instance, Ryan Sims is everyone's favorite bashing toy right now. We moved up a spot to get him in the first round. We badly needed a Defensive Lineman that year, and we literally "stole" him away from Minnesota who took too long to make their pick. This doesn't look good.

BUT- you also have to consider who, of the defensive linemen ONLY, were taken after him. Is there another defensive linemen taken AFTER Sims from that draft year that is playing/performing better than Sims? If NOT, then you can blame the pick. Saying something like, Well Tom Brady was available in the 6th round that year...Well, here's something for you Sherlock- then that means that EVERY fuggen team *****ed up, not just the Chiefs.

It is not fair to say we missed players who turned out to be Pro Bowlers later when our needs that draft year didn't include those players. You have to be fair in your judgment here and if there was a defensive lineman taken after Sims that is performing well, then that only confirms the pick was a horrible choice.

I'm sorry, but I hate these stoopid "Who we shoud've drafted" threads, 'cause the fact of the matter is- every team is at fault for not picking up players they thought they should have drafted.

Think about every team in the NFL this past draft that drafted a WR and how all of them passed up on Marques Colston who is outshining every single WR taken above him. You don't think all of those team owners are shaking their heads in disbelief now and are considering firing their scouts, if they haven't already.

If you're going to go back and say Matt Blundin was a stinky draft choice, then you must be fair to yourself and first ask: Did we need to draft a QB that year, and if we did- then did any QB drafted AFTER him have any success as a starter. If so, then Blundin was a bad pick, if not, then Blundin's pick is irrelevant.

Brock 12-13-2006 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Redrum_69
Ryan Sims isnt that bad


Look who his coaches were.....


Sims deserves to be shot.....

FYP

JakeT 12-13-2006 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj
I don't think Sims should be the winner since he was highly regarded coming out of college. Minnesota thought he was the best DT in the draft as well. That makes Sims the biggest bust of a player, but not necessarily the worst pick by Carl. Carl at least had an arguably legitimate basis for selecting Sims.

omeone like Jenkins or Siavii on the other hand, they were busts plus they were reaches. That's the height of GM ineptitude.

I completely agree with this... The only thing I'll add is my vote goes to Siavii based on the fact the he was a reach with well know off field issues. Maybe Jenkins had off field issue too but for some reason I recall he at least wanted to play football.

milkman 12-13-2006 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod
Sims. No one drafted that high should suck so completely. He's stuck it to us from day one. What a pure useless piece of shit.

DIE SIMS DIE 4321

Tony Mandarich, Ryan Leaf, Brian Bosworth.

Just a couple of examples.

The fact is, even at the very top of the draft, it is still just a crapshoot.

Brock 12-13-2006 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CosmicPal
BUT- you also have to consider who, of the defensive linemen ONLY, were taken after him. Is there another defensive linemen taken AFTER Sims from that draft year that is playing/performing better than Sims?

You're kidding, right?

RP_McMurphy 12-13-2006 12:35 PM

Hmmmmm as a Jaguar fan I have to go with Ryan Sims. After all by drafting him you guys passed on big John Henderson who has been a great anchor in Jacksonville with Marcus Stroud. Sims has talent but one of the worst work ethics in the NFL if you ask me.

FAX 12-13-2006 12:35 PM

I think it was Mr. PastorMikH that coined the term, "The higher the pick, the bigger the bust."

So before I choose, which pick was Harvey "Bobblehead" Williams?

FAX

Brock 12-13-2006 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RP_McMurphy
Sims has talent but one of the worst work ethics in the NFL if you ask me.

Oh, I think you are overestimating Sims.

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-13-2006 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RP_McMurphy
Hmmmmm as a Jaguar fan I have to go with Ryan Sims. After all by drafting him you guys passed on big John Henderson who has been a great anchor in Jacksonville with Marcus Stroud. Sims has talent but one of the worst work ethics in the NFL if you ask me.

Sims has no talent, nor any work ethic. In college he had Julius Peppers drawing quadruple teams. I could have had 5-6 sacks lining up with Peppers. He's a fat sack of shit who lost any work ethic he may have had the day he got his first check (hell, before that even. Vermeil was bitching his ass out in TC b/c not only did he hold out, the fat bitch came in out of shape). If Sims had talent he would show it this year, as this is a walk year for him. Even the laziest of players bust their asses in a contract year. He's just a big pile of shit. I'd pay 20 bucks to watch him die

Brock 12-13-2006 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hummus' Jenkins
. I'd pay 20 bucks to watch him die

LMAO

milkman 12-13-2006 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hummus' Jenkins
I'd pay 20 bucks to watch him die

He'll probably die in his sleep due to clogged arterey, and you'd feel cheated, again.

patteeu 12-13-2006 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CosmicPal
For instance, Ryan Sims is everyone's favorite bashing toy right now. We moved up a spot to get him in the first round. We badly needed a Defensive Lineman that year, and we literally "stole" him away from Minnesota who took too long to make their pick. This doesn't look good.

We didn't steal Sims from Minnesota, we barely avoided having him stolen by Minnesota. We traded up late on the clock and it expired before we could get our pick in. Minnesota was on the clock then and was just a little too slow to get their pick in before one of our flunkies raced up to the podium (so to speak) with the Sims pick.


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