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Uncle_Ted 04-13-2007 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CHIEF4EVER
Actually, YES. If you are offended by the term, you are offended by the term and that is understandable and to be respected......BY EVERYONE REGARDLESS OF PIGMENTATION AT BIRTH. Being of the same birth pigmentation as someone using a racial slur doesn't give them the right to use a term so "offensive" if people of other birth pigmentations can't say the same without causing offense. This concept is called APPLICATION OF A SINGLE STANDARD.

Ridiculous. There's not a single person in the entire world that applies the standard you profess. If there is, I'd like to see the bubble they live in.

The point I'm trying to make is that you are viewing the issue from your perspective ... as the speaker. ("What am I allowed to say? If I can't say it they can't say it.") You are not viewing it from the perspective of the person who truly matters, the recipient of the comment.

What you are saying is that if I call you some curse word, that is the exact same thing as if your significant other or your best friend from work, school, wherever had said it, even if they say it in jest? That you will be offended equally all the way around?

Ask yourself why anyone is offended when someone else makes a racial slur towards them? It's not just because someone used some particular forbidden string of syllables. It's the hatred, the disrespect, the mean-spiritedness that the word conveys. That's why I don't get offended when one of my buddies greets me on the phone with "what's up asshole?" -- because I know that he's not conveying a message of disrepect toward me by calling me that. But if a "stranger" calls me that, I have no way to know that. Context.

HolmeZz 04-13-2007 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter
rights without regard to personal responsibility is becoming an epidemic in this country.

Says the guy defending Imus?

CHIEF4EVER 04-13-2007 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Uncle_Ted
Ridiculous. There's not a single person in the entire world that applies the standard you profess. If there is, I'd like to see the bubble they live in.

The point I'm trying to make is that you are viewing the issue from your perspective ... as the speaker. ("What am I allowed to say? If I can't say it they can't say it.") You are not viewing it from the perspective of the person who truly matters, the recipient of the comment.

What you are saying is that if I call you some curse word, that is the exact same thing as if your significant other or your best friend from work, school, wherever had said it, even if they say it in jest? That you will be offended equally all the way around?

Ask yourself why anyone is offended when someone else makes a racial slur towards them? It's not just because someone used some particular forbidden string of syllables. It's the hatred, the disrespect, the mean-spiritedness that the word conveys. That's why I don't get offended when one of my buddies greets me on the phone with "what's up asshole?" -- because I know that he's not conveying a message of disrepect toward me by calling me that. But if a "stranger" calls me that, I have no way to know that. Context.

What you just posted is a pitiful attempt to substantiate a double standard regards how people express themselves to others. It is known in other circles as HYPOCRISY. I am sure you are intelligent enough to know that your friend calling you "asshole" in jest is nothing like him using a universally recognized racial slur. Those who are offended by the term (the racial slur) are right for being offended by it - but that doesn't give them leave to be SELECTIVELY indignant if the same slur is used by a certain ethnic group over another. Either the term is RIGHT to use or it is WRONG to use.

Mr. Kotter 04-13-2007 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by HolmeZz
Says the guy defending Imus?

You have obvious reading comprehension problems, so I'll spell out what I've said probably a dozen times in various threads on the topic:

Imus deserved what he got; the problem is, there are a WHOLE lot of other talking heads and "entertainers" who deserve precisely the same.

THAT is what I'm railing against; the blatant double-standard and hypocrisy. THIS is no longer about Imus; it's about the rest of the trash that needs taken out of the public square.

PunkinDrublic 04-13-2007 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter
A slanty-eyed ho, eh?

No it's just hard for me to stay objective about anything she says because she's such a dumb ignorant bitch who I can't stand.

Uncle_Ted 04-13-2007 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CHIEF4EVER
What you just posted is a pitiful attempt to substantiate a double standard regards how people express themselves to others. It is known in other circles as HYPOCRISY. I am sure you are intelligent enough to know that your friend calling you "asshole" in jest is nothing like him using a universally recognized racial slur. Those who are offended by the term (the racial slur) are right for being offended by it - but that doesn't give them leave to be SELECTIVELY indignant if the same slur is used by a certain ethnic group over another. Either the term is RIGHT to use or it is WRONG to use.

You seem to think that language can only be considered objectively, black and white so to speak, and that's just not the way anyone operates. My hypothetical does make sense because even two hypothetical strangers calling me an "asshole" might be doing so in completely different contexts, and that context is going to govern my reaction. You don't just have some automatic reaction that your brain calls up and automatically uses 100% of the time every time someone calles you an "asshole".

To equate Chappelle using the n-word with some skinhead using the n-word, and to say that you either have to be equally offended by both or offended by neither, is reeruned. Once again, you are refusing to look at it from the perspective of WHY the racial ephitet is offensive to the target of the ephitet in the first place.

Halfcan 04-13-2007 08:40 PM

Wow and some people call rappers uneducated thugs??

ChiefaRoo 04-13-2007 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic
No it's just hard for me to stay objective about anything she says because she's such a dumb ignorant bitch who I can't stand.

She's neither dumb nor ignorant.

Halfcan 04-13-2007 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter
You have obvious reading comprehension problems, so I'll spell out what I've said probably a dozen times in various threads on the topic:

Imus deserved what he got; the problem is, there are a WHOLE lot of other talking heads and "entertainers" who deserve precisely the same.

THAT is what I'm railing against; the blatant double-standard and hypocrisy. THIS is no longer about Imus; it's about the rest of the trash that needs taken out of the public square.

Unless you have an ebonics dictionary- you can't tell what the hell they are saying anyway.

Halfcan 04-13-2007 08:48 PM

Dis is da life go getta ey go getta ey go getta ey

Has there ever been better lyrics than that?

Logical 04-13-2007 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter
I thought that was the standard--even if I, personally, didn't always live by it.

But, apparently, you CAN say offensive things, as long as you are the right race, gender, or other appropriate "group."

:hmmm:

Like Eminem does not get away with any lyrics he wants to use?:rolleyes:

Kotter sometimes you are so full of shit.

FAX 04-13-2007 08:55 PM

Nappy, Nappy bo Bappy bonana fanna fo Fappy fee fy mo Mappy ... Nappy!

FAX

KcMizzou 04-13-2007 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Logical
Like Eminem does not get away with any lyrics he wants to use?:rolleyes:

Kotter sometimes you are so full of shit.

Well... (not that I really want to get involved in this) Eminem rarely if ever said things that were racially charged. Nearly everything he did was about drugs, and a poor white up-bringing. Yes, he said terrible things about individuals, but it didn't have anything to do with race.

(I use the past tense, because I haven't heard anything new from him in a couple of years)

FAX 04-13-2007 09:06 PM

Ho, Ho bo Bo bonana fanna fo Fo fee fy mo Mo ... Ho!

FAX

FAX 04-13-2007 09:18 PM

I be rappin'.

Bitch, Bitch bo Bitch bonana fanna fo Fitch fee fy mo Mitch ... Bitch!

FAX


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