Amazing how we can only give up 13 a game or less, but can only score 13 TD's in 10 games...

so whats the difference between the two approaches. One was at least exciting and the other looks like a monkey ****ing a football.

Dont bash the other coaching style while we are being humilated weekly with Herms style...

Dungy is a different coach. Dungy is more intellegent and smarter than Herm. He got lucky I admit by inheriting a good offense with Manning and co. He also had Tom Moore as OC who implemented a good system there, and kept it there.

The reason he was brought to Indy was to build a good defense. That's the only reason. Why did Tampa fire Dungy? Because they had the same offense as us. And that is why they hired Gruden to build an offense there.

Good points. And Dungy has succeeded. They are good friends. Hopefully TD will influence Herm to play some arena league football soon.

In fact, he BLAMED that approach as the reason we had a shitty D. NOT NOT NOT Herm. We had a shitty D because we had shitty players and a Shitty DC who ran shitty schemes and shittily coached his players to play shitty.

No shit.

Might the same reasoning explain the offense?

Well, not the talent part anyway. With Bowe and Gonzo and LJ (pre-injury) we still sucked baows...

Has Herm manned up and even admitted that it is his fault yet? I doubt it.

That's arena football, and we don't play that.

dayum...

are you trying to sell pampers or what?

Sorry, I'm in kind of a shitty mood this morning.

I'm kind of pooped myself.

give croyle a little more playing time, and herm won't have a chance holding back the o...

croyle, bowe, tg, sippio and lj...

shitty oline or no, we're gonna see some arena ball whether or not herm likes it...

these guys have crazy skills, and they will only get better the more they play...

arena ball will be here by the end of this season...

and i can't wait...

you make a terrific point. I would repp you if you knew how.

Maybe herm just needs to 'see the light' so to speak. Dungy was known as a defensive minded coach until he got to indy, and had harrison, manning, and james on offense. He discovered what hopefully herm will discover, scoring points and lots of it, is a good thing. Going out there on offense with the intent to score touchdowns, not field goals, should be on the teams mind first and foremost. Thats what is on the patriots minds, there D is holding up just fine, and heres the thing, Our d is as good if not better than there D is. Opening up our offense can only help our solid defense that much more.

And We have had some close games that we should have won. Greenbay comes to mind, so does the denver game, the bears, the texans, and ofcourse the colts game. All games WE COULD HAVE AND PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE WON, regardless of who our starting QB was (evem though croyle is much better). This team is better, much better, than our current record indicates. We could just as easily be 8-2 or 9-1 right now.

I agree with redbull on alot of things in regards to herm. And I do blame yesterdays loss on him. The packers game, we had the ball on offense, we were up by 6pts, we run the ball 3 times in a row, and then punt. Farve takes his team down and scores..... We have to be more versatile on offense, we should be a pass first offense, run second. Our OL is clearly better at pass blocking than it is run blocking. We are hurting ourselfs. Maybe herm isnt the answer in the longterm. But he has brought defense back to the cheifs. BLAH..

He meant in 5 GAMES we can score 40.

Definitely a thin line between 4-6 and 6-4. We're on that line now.