can we hire belechecks son

Josh McDaniels, the Patriots' offensive coordinator (who looks like he's young enough to be Belichick's son) would be a great choice as the next head coach of the Chiefs.

Scott Pioli as GM, Josh McDaniels as head coach, Mike Martz as offensive coordinator, Mike Leach and Al Saunders on the offensive staff... that would be simply amazing.

Keep in mind -- Patriots, Green Bay, Dallas and Indy, you cited to:

That's Brady, Favre, Romo and Manning. 3 sure-fire, first ballot HOFers and one of the young studs in this league who may also join that category.

I'm not here to defend Herm, but your argument has a bit of a flaw there...

How about the Lions? Their offensive line is as bad as the Chiefs and Martz has that offense flying with Kitna at QB. That is the same offensive scheme as the Chiefs deploy only Martz knows how to use it.

Nonsense.

I disagree totally. Running the ball is an integral part of offensive success. You can't disclude that aspect of the game? No way.

Yeah a lot of us are used to watching the Pats, Colts, GB win with there passing game. So our minds and way of thinking tends to shift and let us believe passing is the way to go or to win in this league? But remember they have the QB's to do it. They have the right personnel to run an effective passing game. The Chiefs on the other hand, don't. Realistically, do the Chiefs have an offensive line that can protect the QB effectively? Do they have the right set of receivers to help make them be more effective in the passing game? do they have the QB? who knows?

Until the Chiefs get an offensive line and QB, I'd be comfortable with them passing the ball. But in all honesty, it boils down to execution imo? If your lineman can't block period, you're going to be unsuccesful no matter what you're trying to do? I also think predictable playcalling doesn't help either? No matter what the Chiefs do, they're just not good. Too predictable.

But still, when the Chiefs had a successful offense, the running game was a big reason why.

uh, I don't think Trent Green will be in the HOF. He did a pretty good job using guys a little less talented than Moss and co.

Oline as bad as KC's?!? I disagree with that. Kitna isnt a slouch and is a vet, we've been playing with a backup and a young'n. Plus the lions are at .500, so its not likt theyre tearing the league up like the Pats or Colts Os are.

chicken or the egg


which came first our crappy offensive players or the coaches that selected and trained them?

Get a hall of fame line and top notch running game can make the passing game work ie Trent Green & company.

Seriously, watch the Lions it will impact what you are thinking. Their offensive line is every bit as bad as the Chiefs. The difference is Martz is not scared to be aggressive and knows how to use the same offensive scheme.

Look up, theyre line isnt even close to as bad as ours. Theyve got talent and cohesion, they may not be top 5 but they sure aint bottom 5 like ours.

who decided to pick up McIntosh and Chris Terry?


who decided to keep wiegmann even though we were gonna change offensive philosophy?


who decided to simplify the offense down to a 5th grade level?

Dick Vermeil?

No doubt and on yahoo's page they have a picture of Romo and Montana side by side - jsut because he engineered a single 2 minute drill against Detroit...once

Well, let's see. Lions are in the NFC which is mostly weaker, though the NFC North has some good defenses. Kitna is a vet, whereas Chiefs have the QB of the week going on lately, including Croyle, who doesn't have much experience.

I also think I'd take the WR package the Lions have over the Chiefs'. You have the better TE, of course.

And yes, Martz is a helluva OC, I think.

I'm not saying "pass first" isn't a valid philosophy. In teh current NFL, it definitely is. But you've got to scheme to fit your players, and I dont' think the Chiefs have the right talent. Heck, I'm not sure they have the right talent right now for any competent offensive attack scheme, and that's part of the problem. One pro bowl TE, OLineman and RB ain't enough if the component parts aren't really average NFL players at this point in their careers.