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BigChiefFan 02-28-2008 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 4606809)
Taking the BPA is stupid if you already have that hole filled on your team with an already younger established player, such as our DE's Allen and Hali.

In this case it would be reeruned for the Chiefs to draft Virginia DE Chris Long because you're spending a first round top 5 pick on someone that will rotate in and out of DE, and yes I know DE's rotate all the time in this system, but there is absolutely no reason not to pick Jake Long if he's available at our pick. He's a top 5 player in this whole draft, and he fills a void at our biggest need. If the BPA is an area of need, then you have to draft him, if not trade down. The first day picks are ALL picks that should have at least a great chance of becoming starters on your team. BPA is for the Chiefs 2nd day picks IMO.
Lilja and Flozell Adams are off the market. Both re-signed with their teams.

Ultra Peanut 02-28-2008 09:31 PM
Dorsey or Ellis will have me jumping for joy. Long isn't going to piss me off, but if we go QB I pray we drop down to Brohm-land instead of settling on Ryan.

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Rausch 02-28-2008 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 4606955)
Nonsense. Jared may not be here much longer, and Hali doesn't seem to be an explosive player. The key to the draft is to try to upgrade, regardless of what position. The draft is not about "filling holes".
True.

But at the same time we don't want to be the Tardinals or Lions drafting a WR almost every year.

We've been chasing the dragon at DT since...Hell, forever.

We've got squat on the Offensive line, one valid WR, and one valid CB.

I think we should take a guy who's going to start full time or trade down to get enough picks to fill as many holes as possible.

On top of that Hali is too early in his contract and produced too little to trade.

Eleazar 02-28-2008 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 4606577)
It will be glorious.


And really, can we botch the fifth pick overall? Surely they're not dumb enough to take Clady or Otah, right?
I predict this will get bumped in a few weeks.

Mecca 02-28-2008 09:50 PM
There's a big difference in a team talking about specific players and a guy saying "There is depth at these positions" when anyone that knows anything about the draft knows that already, several of us said that...

I think what he said was a round about way of saying "If we take a DT first we are pretty certain we can still get an OT and CB that start, where if we take an OT first we won't get as many players"

I wonder what all the people that argued with us will say considering how many times a few of us made this exact point.

OnTheWarpath15 02-28-2008 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 4607080)
There's a big difference in a team talking about specific players and a guy saying "There is depth at these positions" when anyone that knows anything about the draft knows that already, several of us said that...

I think what he said was a round about way of saying "If we take a DT first we are pretty certain we can still get an OT and CB that start, where if we take an OT first we won't get as many players"

I wonder what all the people that argued with us will say considering how many times a few of us made this exact point.
They'll continue to argue.....

Just like the argument that Gholston would be a backup or situational player.

CoMoChief 02-29-2008 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 4606955)
Nonsense. Jared may not be here much longer, and Hali doesn't seem to be an explosive player. The key to the draft is to try to upgrade, regardless of what position. The draft is not about "filling holes".
tell the New England Patriots that.

ceebz 02-29-2008 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by lj4mvp (Post 4606615)
Ellis is the guy I think they're locking in on. JMO at this point, could change.
Totally agree. Unless both Dorsey and Ellis go in the first four picks, one of them will be wearing red. :clap:

the Talking Can 02-29-2008 09:43 AM
Herm understands that you build D front-to-back...and also that strong D's are strong in the middle (usually, the Giants are an exception it seems)

we are weak at DT and MLB and have been for a damn decade....Ellis/Dorsey solve that problem...and I think Herm knows it....

nychief 02-29-2008 09:45 AM
Don't forget we will have the number one overall next year...

htismaqe 02-29-2008 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 4607080)
I think what he said was a round about way of saying "If we take a DT first we are pretty certain we can still get an OT and CB that start, where if we take an OT first we won't get as many players".
There really wasn't any "round about" about it.

He said that there were really only 2 sure-fire starting DT's in this draft. He even specifically compared the lack of depth at the DT position to the presence of depth at OT.

And he said that if the run on CB's should start late (aka 2nd round) that starting-caliber CB's might be available as late as the FOURTH...

beach tribe 02-29-2008 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 4607827)
There really wasn't any "round about" about it.

He said that there were really only 2 sure-fire starting DT's in this draft. He even specifically compared the lack of depth at the DT position to the presence of depth at OT.

And he said that if the run on CB's should start late (aka 2nd round) that starting-caliber CB's might be available as late as the FOURTH...
If jake is on the board he will be a Chief.

I will be thrilled if we get Ellis/Dorsey, BUT if I really wanted J.Long I would be saying the same things he did, to sell the other teams on the two DTs, and OT depth, in essence increasing the chances of landing him.

Mecca 02-29-2008 11:14 AM
I don't think that's really selling, what he said is honest and anyone who follows the draft knows that.

beach tribe 02-29-2008 11:14 AM
Also selling the depth at CB so that maybe some teams hold off on the top guys. S M O K E.

beach tribe 02-29-2008 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 4607932)
I don't think that's really selling, what he said is honest and anyone who follows the draft knows that.
"Hey everybody this is exactly how we see it."

Truth, and honesty aren't always the same thing.


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