I still don't remotely believe that Croyle will ever make it a season without missing several games.

Actually, almost "every single analyst" said on draft day that Croyle had 1st round talent, but that his injury history scared teams off.

Again, you sound awful confident that a guy who's never taken a NFL snap is going to be the next Peyton Manning......

Let's be a little more honest though, Ryan threw the ball this past year nearly twice as many as Croyles highest year, he was relied upon alot more....

I would hope so, considering Alabama has always been a run-first team.

That's why I listed averages, not totals.

The numbers don't lie.

TD's per attempt is going to favor a guy who threw it 350 times to a guy who threw it over 600...

I didn't list TD's per attempt.

I listed TD's per INT.



What I find comical is that there are people who were whining in TC that if Croyle played, he'd be a turnover machine.

Then he goes out and throws 6 INT's in 6 starts. Fewer INT's per game than Eli Manning, Drew Brees, Carson Palmer and Tony Romo, among others.

Meanwhile, some of those same people are stoked about Ryan, who threw the ball all over the yard.

Hey, y'all can rest easy. Nick Athan just said that we were taking Brandon Albert with the 5th pick. Case closed....

I admit I know little about QBs and what it takes for them to succeed. However, I haven't seen anything from Ryan that says "Wow! I gotta have this kid."

I stated before last season that I was willing to give Croyle some time. I still am.

I won't be furious if they take Ryan, but I certainly don't think he's BPA at #5.

so you are FOR snagging Ryan? or jsut another QB in the 2nd or 3rd? (after ellis of course ;))

Oh really? I'd love to see a link of this. If "almost every single analyst" said this, I'm sure it won't be hard.

Ryan certainly isn't a guarantee - I said earlier in this thread that no player is a guarantee to boom or bust. That said, the odds of him developing into a franchise QB are much greater than Croyle.

Would you seriously disagree with that? If so, I lose a lot of respect for your football IQ.

I know I will get torched for this but here goes.....

Screw taking Ryan in the 1st.

*IF* Long or Dorsey are not available with our pick, I honestly believe we should trade down 1sts and pick up Clady plus get another 2nd and 3rd in the process. With that we should be able to address several concerns.

I am betting that Talib's stock took a hit with getting lit up 3 times for smoking weed. We will need a replacement for Law and someone to look forward to when Surtain hits the wall this or next season. I am betting he will be available in the 2nd when we go to pick.

If Talib is gone then we still have a shot at Porter.

Last but not least.....

Also, if Colt Brennan is available when we go to pick in the 4th round.... we DAMN well better pick him up.

No, no, no...:shake:

So, you want a link to a TV broadcast?

Yeah, that should be easy.

And Ryan's odds HAVE to be better, his draft slot DEMANDS it.

That still doesn't make him a Top 5 pick in my book though.

He's the one guy in this draft that I'm middle-ground on. If we pick him, fine. If we don't, fine.

I agree they are equal....neither have won an NFL game

yeah but to be fair the o was run run pass punt. Again more throws = more int's for those guys. Croyle certainly isn't any better.