Yeah, I'm with you. I'm not in the camp of saving people from themselves. I guess with certain arguments though, rather than continue with the same rebuttals, I'm inclined to try and show people that their logic is flawed in more than 1 area.

I inspired a thread?

I rule!

I am not banning anything since I don't live in KC. In fact I have never stopped going to a bar or restaurant because they allowed smoking and I probably never will. My whole argument is that it is not the government that is imposing the ban it is the citizens of KC and I think that is ok because that is exactly how it should be.

It is also legal to own a gun but I can't carry one on the plane or in certain public places so that must be hurting bars and restaurants as well. :rolleyes:

As far as the stupid excuse that this will hurt bars and restaurants in KC I read an article last night in the KC Star that all the neighboring counties and cities all have smoking bans. Independence passed one, all or most of Johnson County does and Wyandotte county is going to pass one this year as well so either smokers are going to stay home (which that will never happen) or they will go out anyway because frankly there is no where else to go.

Yep

\One bar that is really struggling right now and is probably close to closing put on it's marque out front "where are you non-smokers??????"

Point is, it's the fact that it was even put to a vote that is sad and indicitive of diminishing rights and choices and the basic pussification of this country.

Get it?

Is this just a bar or a bar/restaurant?

I used a plane as an example because flights used to be smokey as heck until the FAA decided it was a bad idea. You just don't hear anyone complain today that they cannot smoke on a flight anymore....Restaurants will be the same way.

Mostly a bar. They serve some food, but just more for convenience to their customers. He was down 51% last quarter.

No I get it perfectly fine there is alot of laws that I disagree with but that is life get over it.

These types of places should have been exempt. And casinos. Nobody cares about the health of casino patrons. It is about health, right?

Right?

Can you type?

Actually out here Casinos are exempt, but then again they are on Indian reservations and run by the tribes.

Completely agree.

I live in a tiny community with one bar. They allow smoking while all the other communities in the surrounding area banned smoking.

This place is still dead. I go for the Blvd specials on tuesdays and thursdays but there's no more than 6 or 7 other people in there at a time. I've no idea how they stay in business.

I had no idea there was a bar there.