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eazyb81 04-24-2008 09:17 PM

Flacco is awful. QBs that offer a bazooka arm and not much else are consistently overrated in the draft.

Joe Flacco is the Colt Griffen of NFL prospects. I'd take any of the mid-tier QBs over him.

Rausch 04-24-2008 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 4707607)
Not at all. Re-read the post. Marino's stock fell because they lost a couple of games.... sort of like Brohm this season.

I thought Marino's stock fell because of coke rumors...

Mecca 04-24-2008 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 4707632)
seems like to me they start off preaching cold hard stats and then spend the rest of the article rationalization that stats for the guys they like. :shrug:

How do you figure?

Flacco's have to be looked at subjectively because it wasn't playing good competition.

Ebolapox 04-24-2008 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 4707562)
That is sort of why Marino fell in 1983. Pitt's record wasn't as bad as Louisvilles this season. In fact, I think they went to the Sugar Bowl. But they still lost 2 or 3 games and his stock fell.

that, and his attitude turned off several teams (including the fuggin' chiefs)... he was too cocky, etc.

Silock 04-24-2008 09:29 PM

What about Woodson in one of the late rounds?

Mecca 04-24-2008 09:29 PM

Woodson needs major coaching, he has awesome upside but he needs changes to his mechanics. I don't trust the Chiefs coaches to fix him properly.

keg in kc 04-24-2008 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 4707583)
Tell me your view, I wanna see if it's the same as mine...

Henne to me is a game manager. He has most of the physical tools you want, but whatever intangible it is that makes a quarterback a 'winner' he just doesn't have. Based on what I saw for four years, at least. That ability to carry a team when it needs it. I look at him and I see Elvis Grbac or Todd Collins or Brian Griese.

Some of that might have to go at the feet of Lloyd Carr, I think that guy was a black hole for an awful lot of talent in Ann Arbor, but even so I don't think I'd want to be a team banking on Henne to become more than he was in college.

The sad thing is, that's probably exactly the kind of quarterback that Carl and/or Herm would look for. A game manager who's tough and while he may not win you many games, he's not likely to lose many either.

I just don't think that's the kind of player you spend a high pick on.

(Now watch him become Peyton Manning...)

Rain Man 04-24-2008 09:36 PM

My dream draft (realistically speaking) would be Dorsey at #5, Brohm at #17, and Cherilus at #35.

Mecca 04-24-2008 09:36 PM

Henne to me has the physical tools I know NFL teams like with his arm and all that..I also think he may be the victim of being over analyzed due to where he played and how long he started.

Things I really don't like about him are I think he's a little short, he has virtually no mobility. Now I've seen Michigan play a ton of times his upside is he needs a few slight tweaks with his feet and mechanics and he may look 100 times better. His weird streaky accuracy was always concerning to me he was either on fire or ice cold.

banyon 04-24-2008 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 4707706)
My dream draft (realistically speaking) would be Dorsey at #5, Brohm at #17, and Cherilus at #35.

That draft rocks.

banyon 04-24-2008 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 4707639)
Flacco is awful. QBs that offer a bazooka arm and not much else are consistently overrated in the draft.

Joe Flacco is the Colt Griffen of NFL prospects. I'd take any of the mid-tier QBs over him.

Spergon Wynn.

keg in kc 04-24-2008 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 4707707)
Things I really don't like about him are I think he's a little short, he has virtually no mobility.

I don't think his height's a concern, but he can be eerily reminiscent of Drew Bledsoe.

And he's played behind Michigan o-linemen, which are generally as good as you'll find anywhere, even if the team in general is down. I'd shudder to think how many hits he'd take against an NFL defense with a sub-par line blocking for him.

Mecca 04-24-2008 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 4707719)
I don't think his height's a concern, but he can be eerily reminiscent of Drew Bledsoe.

And he's played behind Michigan o-linemen, which are generally as good as you'll find anywhere, even if the team in general is down. I'd shudder to think how many hits he'd take against an NFL defense with a sub-par line blocking for him.

He was awful under pressure but I in general chalk that up to just not being use to it or expecting it.

He reminds me quite a bit of John David Booty in many ways and that is not a good thing.

keg in kc 04-24-2008 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 4707728)
He was awful under pressure but I in general chalk that up to just not being use to it or expecting it.

That's what I was alluding to.

I think you'd see some of the panic Croyle shows at times (which is ironic, because Croyle got hammered in college...).

Mecca 04-24-2008 09:44 PM

On the plus side Henne isn't built like a punter atleast.


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