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Rain Man 08-07-2008 10:58 AM

It's interesting to me that his defense was focused on "he has a low IQ and was a follower" and now the argument to prevent execution is that he's a magazine editor and author doing great work.


I feel sorry for thurman if he's got any personal investment in this issue, because this thread is going to be a beatdown of the murderer.

Micjones 08-07-2008 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian (Post 4897505)
I'm not an unflawed human...But having never been a party to a crime spree that included the murder of 4 innocent people, at different times, i'm ok feeling superior to that scumbag.

What does that sense of superiority really amount to though?

ChiefsFan4Life 08-07-2008 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 4897512)
I feel sorry for thurman if he's got any personal investment in this issue, because this thread is going to be a beatdown of the murderer.

I can't feel sorry for him

What did he think would happen besides this? I haven't seen a single person defend the guy's actions

Lzen 08-07-2008 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 4897498)
At the end of the day those people are just as flawed and have no moral authority to make a decision on that man's life.

BS. Go hug a tree.

Frazod 08-07-2008 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 4897498)
At the end of the day those people are just as flawed and have no moral authority to make a decision on that man's life.

BULLSHIT.

You really think that the jurors who deliberated on that sentence are as flawed as a pack of doped-out thugs on an interstate killing spree?

Are we just supposed to lay spread eagle for the scum of the earth and take whatever evil they decide to inflict upon us because we aren't gods?

Jesus can turn the other cheek. I want justice.

Micjones 08-07-2008 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 4897511)
So everyone goes around murdering innocent people?

That's a strawman argument. Obviously I'm not licensing the killing of innocent people. I'm simply saying that if we value life we can't arbitrarily determine which lives are important.

Redrum_69 08-07-2008 11:00 AM

this just spawned a thread....in the DC forum...where this thread should be.

Iowanian 08-07-2008 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 4897500)
Do these types of stories give you pause about continuing to do this?

I've had pause....but more when considering picking up a hitch hiker. I've usually got something within reach that will assist in my safety though.

If I have the family with me, I'll not put them in that danger, but if I'm alone and have any time, I'll help.



I'm not in a city....I am in a rural area, and we're taught to help others. My grandpa did it, when I was a kid I watched my dad do it, and I always have. I've posted a thank you because some decent men stopped and helped my mother last year, so I intend to be the guy, that will help when I can.

Micjones 08-07-2008 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 4897516)
BS. Go hug a tree.

Eloquent. You win.

ChiefsFan4Life 08-07-2008 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 4897498)
At the end of the day those people are just as flawed and have no moral authority to make a decision on that man's life.

Are you not included in "those people"? So how do YOU have the moral authority to say he DOESN'T deserve it?

Seems like a double standard

eazyb81 08-07-2008 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 4897520)
That's a strawman argument. Obviously I'm not licensing the killing of innocent people. I'm simply saying that if we value life we can't arbitrarily determine which lives are important.

No it's not. You're saying everyone is equally fallible, and obviously that is completely incorrect because everyone doesn't go around murdering people.

Sorry, but you look like a fool arguing this point.

PhillyChiefFan 08-07-2008 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 4897502)
If that was a Biblical reference...
The dispensation of grace took precedence over the Old Testament way.
That would help my argument if anything.

Thou shalt not commit murder Exodus 20:13

If anyone has a stone in his hand that could kill, and he strikes someone that he shall die, he is a murderer, the murderer shall be put to death Numbers 35:18

Do not accept ransom for the life of a murderer, who deserves to die. He must surely be put to death Numbers 35:30

DeezNutz 08-07-2008 11:02 AM

I'm interested in the "soulmate" aspect of this. I love my wife, but if she were ever to be involved in murder, let alone multiple such crimes, she would neither see nor hear from me again.

What say you Planet?

Rain Man 08-07-2008 11:02 AM

For the record, I think MicJones' stance is fine if his philosophy is no death penalty for anyone, regardless of crime. While I don't necessarily agree with it, I think it's a valid position for signing such a petition.

Micjones 08-07-2008 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 4897519)
You really think that the jurors who deliberated on that sentence are as flawed as a pack of doped-out thugs on an interstate killing spree?

In a grand sense? Absolutely.
Obviously, I've never taken another human being's life, but my view of the world makes me every bit as fallible as the next man. And since I'm finite and only capable of so much cognitively... I'm not qualified to make a decision on another human being's life.

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Jesus can turn the other cheek. I want justice.
Not putting the man to death is hardly overlooking the crime altogether.
There are other ways to achieve retribution.


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