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KcMizzou 09-08-2008 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MeaTy The Pimp (Post 4994534)
To do what? prove that he can play for more than a game or two without tearing his vagina?


I agree that he has talent, I just question whether or not that he has heart...

I don't think "heart" has anything to do with it. If he's hurt, he's hurt. Heart and durability are two different things.

MOhillbilly 09-08-2008 05:46 AM

i thought last year croyle was to small. a oline would really really really help.

Mecca 09-08-2008 05:47 AM

I don't think it has much to do with heart, the guys body just can't take hits and hold up.

KCJohnny 09-08-2008 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 4994525)
I have news for you, players are alot bigger and faster than they were when Dawson played.

Really? How old are you? 23? 25? Do you know what the rules were like in 1970? What the equipment was like? There were no domes, carpet, replay booths or oxygen tanks on the sideline. If a player ran 60 yards on a play, he stayed in the game and ran the next series of plays without a breather. There was no such thing as a face-mask penalty or a chop block foul. In many ways, the game is actually safer now.

Regardless of somewhat bigger, faster athletes we may have today, football, as Jo Po so eloquently puts it, has always been a violent game. Dick Butkus played his last game in the 1970s, and ask the old timers if anyone since is as much a pure 100% mauler.

Dawson played 19 seasons. That stands on its own. But like I said below, its just nature and the grace of God.

Baby Lee 09-08-2008 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 4994252)
[SIZE="5"][B]No, what made Brett Favre great wasn’t his arm or his gunslinger attitude, it was that he was able to be there every single week, no matter what kind of pounding he took, no matter how ferociously he was hit, no matter how many times he got blindsided. The same goes for John Elway and Dan Marino and Peyton Manning and, up to Sunday, Tom Brady. The one thing every great quarterback shared is that they started games. And they finished them.

That takes more than toughness, and it takes more than heart. You also need luck, a body that will not break, a mind that can ignore the obvious dangers that are all around.

And hillbilly heroin.

KCJohnny 09-08-2008 05:57 AM

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This was the day of tough men, young Mr. Mecca.

MOhillbilly 09-08-2008 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny (Post 4994547)
This was the day of tough men, young Mr. Mecca.

i dont agree.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-08-2008 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 4994540)
And hillbilly heroin.

That he vomited up, and then picked it out of his own vomit and swallowed it again...ROFL

KCJohnny 09-08-2008 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MOhillbilly (Post 4994549)
i dont agree.

Oh, these kids...

:shake:

MOhillbilly 09-08-2008 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny (Post 4994554)
Oh, these kids...

:shake:

bednarick was tougher.:)

KCJohnny 09-08-2008 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MOhillbilly (Post 4994555)
bednarick was tougher.:)

He was very, very tough. Last player to play boths ways for 60 minutes. Ray Neitzke was another ferocious man. Everyone feared Deacon Jones. The word "sack" was coined to describe Jones' relentless dropping of QBs in the backfield.

Our own Willie Lanier was so feared that his league-wide nickname was "Contact".

The list goes on and on, but look at the SI Cover story I posted. I am not aware of any other major sports publication putting a player on its cover with that title.

Speaking of tough QBs, who was the last QB to play without a face mask?
No, it wasn't george Blanda (another tough SOB).
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MOhillbilly 09-08-2008 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny (Post 4994560)
He was very, very tough. Last player to play boths ways for 60 minutes. Ray Neitzke was another ferocious man. Everyone feared Deacon Jones. The word "sack" was coined to describe Jones' relentless dropping of QBs in the backfield.

Our own Willie Lanier was so feared that his league-wide nickname was "Contact".

The list goes on and on, but look at the SI Cover story I posted. I am not aware of any other major sports publication putting a player on its cover with that title.

Speaking of tough QBs, who was the last QB to play without a face mask?
No, it wasn't george Blanda (another tough SOB).
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sammy baugh?

MeaTy The Pimp 09-08-2008 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 4994536)
I don't think "heart" has anything to do with it. If he's hurt, he's hurt. Heart and durability are two different things.

I only said that because that it seems that everytime that a game is going particularly bad, he gets "conveniently" hurt. Maybe it is just me being overly critical, but that is just what I've seen.

TN_Chief 09-08-2008 06:27 AM

Thoughts on Croyle's mental toughness? It seems like plenty of players take the same hits/harder hits as Croyle but continue to get up. Is this a question of Cryole's body just not being constructed well enough to take the punishment (regardless of his height/weight) or are there some legitimate questions about his willingness to rise and get back to the huddle after hits?

Mecca 09-08-2008 06:31 AM

This may sound ****ed up but Butkus and all that is a different era, in todays game he'd be considered to slow.

And if they had the rules now they had then guys would die on the field, guys are bigger and faster. The athletic talent in the game is at a much much higher level.

You have to be alot more than big and mean now, you have to have speed.


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