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DaneMcCloud 09-18-2008 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5031638)
So, why was Tom Brady a 6th round pick?

Do you even watch football?

Behind this OL, a mobile QB gives us the best chance to win. Atlanta's front 4, on a fast track, and you want to put a statue back there?

As Tiny said:

Run for your life > Stop, drop and roll

Sorry dude, this is a HORRIBLE comparison.

Yes, the entire NFL missed on Tom Brady. In retrospect, he'd be the number 1 pick overall in the 2000 draft. Bottom line.

To expect the entire NFL to miss on such a player again, especially so soon, is asking way, way, way too much.

The only other 6th round QB that won the Super Bowl was Mark Rypien and there's no way in the world that he'd have been the number one pick overall in his draft year and by no stretch of the imagination is Rypien a HOFer.

Brady, like Montana, are players the NFL missed in draft. That usually happens only once a generation, especially with today's scouting and ten million amateur draft sites.

CoMoChief 09-18-2008 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5031721)
Boy genius:

Not ONCE did I compare Thigpen to Brady.

Merely pointing out that draft position alone is a dumbass way to judge a QB, as well as where he went to school.

Hilariously deceived and blind is thinking that Damon Huard is the best QB to run an offense with a porous OL, than depends on being able to run nakeds, bootlegs and misdirection. Huard can do NONE of these things.

BTW, good job on completely ignoring the rest of my post. Waiting for an response:



Well?

Oline has to block better, plain and simple.

Btw - pretty sure you were comparing Brady to Thigpen in regards that Brady was a late rd draft pick. Just sayin

CoMoChief 09-18-2008 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5031723)
Sorry dude, this is a HORRIBLE comparison.

Yes, the entire NFL missed on Tom Brady. In retrospect, he'd be the number 1 pick overall in the 2000 draft. Bottom line.

To expect the entire NFL to miss on such a player again, especially so soon, is asking way, way, way too much.

The only other 6th round QB that won the Super Bowl was Mark Rypien and there's no way in the world that he'd have been the number one pick overall in his draft year and by no stretch of the imagination is Rypien a HOFer.

Brady, like Montana, are players the NFL missed in draft. That usually happens only once a generation, especially with today's scouting and ten million amateur draft sites.

Thank you.......OntheWarpath58 is a moron.

OnTheWarpath15 09-18-2008 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5031723)
Sorry dude, this is a HORRIBLE comparison.

Yes, the entire NFL missed on Tom Brady. In retrospect, he'd be the number 1 pick overall in the 2000 draft. Bottom line.

To expect the entire NFL to miss on such a player again, especially so soon, is asking way, way, way too much.

The only other 6th round QB that won the Super Bowl was Mark Rypien and there's no way in the world that he'd have been the number one pick overall in his draft year and by no stretch of the imagination is Rypien a HOFer.

Brady, like Montana were two players the NFL missed in draft. That usually happens only once a generation, especially with today's scouting and ten million amateur draft sites.

You're missing the point as well, Dane.

His comment was this:

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There's a reason why he was a 7th rd draft pick.
I'm in no way comparing him to Brady, just asking WHY he feels it necessary to judge players based on draft position.

Hell, why even HAVE rounds past the 3rd? Can't be any serviceable players past then, right?

Then he goes on to mock Coastal Carolina. Is it impossible for a guy to be serviceable if he comes from a small school?

Please don't make me spend the time it would take to list all of the serviceable players that came from small schools. I'm positive you're with me on this...

Chiefnj2 09-18-2008 12:31 PM

Huard was able to win 4 games last year with a team with less talent than they have now. Plus he had Solari as coordinator. If Gailey can't come up with a gameplan to utilize what little strengths Huard has then Gailey is a step below Solari as a coordinator.

OnTheWarpath15 09-18-2008 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5031732)
Oline has to block better, plain and simple.

Btw - pretty sure you were comparing Brady to Thigpen in regards that Brady was a late rd draft pick. Just sayin

So now you know what I was thinking, but I don't?

Right on, Ms. Cleo.

Back to the discussion:

Sure the OL needs to block better. But since they've shown NO progress in doing so, why continue to put a statue back there that lacks the mobility to at least ATTEMPT to make a play when blocking breaks down?

Is playing Huard going to make the OL block better?

Nope. In fact, it's going to make them look worse than they actually are.

keg in kc 09-18-2008 12:37 PM

It's hard to judge Gailey's gameplans when the starting quarterback has gone down relatively early in both games. The gameplan is geared to the starter and teams don't give the backup a whole lot of reps during the week. When he goes down, the plan goes out the window.

OnTheWarpath15 09-18-2008 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5031741)
Huard was able to win 4 games last year with a team with less talent than they have now. Plus he had Solari as coordinator. If Gailey can't come up with a gameplan to utilize what little strengths Huard has then Gailey is a step below Solari as a coordinator.

Why should they come up with a gameplan for the odd man out?

In the PS, Huard was the #3 guy, for a reason.

Unlike the other 2 QB's, he can't run. Period. The entire offense was designed around nakeds, bootlegs and misdirection - things Huard CANNOT do.

Changing your entire offense just for the sake of playing Huard is reeruned.

And again, I'll ask:

Behind this OL, a mobile QB gives us the best chance to win. Atlanta's front 4, on a fast track, and you want to put a statue back there?

Chiefnj2 09-18-2008 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5031766)
Why should they come up with a gameplan for the odd man out?

In the PS, Huard was the #3 guy, for a reason.

Unlike the other 2 QB's, he can't run. Period. The entire offense was designed around nakeds, bootlegs and misdirection - things Huard CANNOT do.

Changing your entire offense just for the sake of playing Huard is reeruned.

And again, I'll ask:

Behind this OL, a mobile QB gives us the best chance to win. Atlanta's front 4, on a fast track, and you want to put a statue back there?

Huard was the #3 guy in preseason because Herm wanted to see what the young guys had. When push came to shove, who got the nod originally Huard or Thigpen? Why? Because Thigpen sucks.

Nobody but you is advocating changing the entire offense.

A mobile QB who can't hit the side of a barn doesn't give the team the best chance to win. Putting a TE next to McIntosh might help.

When Thigpen wins a few games we can talk about whether or not he's better than Huard.

OnTheWarpath15 09-18-2008 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5031783)
Huard was the #3 guy in preseason because Herm wanted to see what the young guys had. When push came to shove, who got the nod originally Huard or Thigpen? Why? Because Thigpen sucks.

Nobody but you is advocating changing the entire offense.

A mobile QB who can't hit the side of a barn doesn't give the team the best chance to win. Putting a TE next to McIntosh might help.

When Thigpen wins a few games we can talk about whether or not he's better than Huard.


Yet an immobile QB that can't throw the ball more than 20 yards can?

Sorry, but after stepping into his throw, giving it all he had, and STILL underthrowing Charles down the sideline (who had beat his man) by 15 yards, Huard proved he has nothing left.

We don't KNOW if he's better or worse than Huard.

Huard has had 10+ years to prove his suckage. Thigpen has had half of a game.

Boy, the true fans are out in full force on this one...

Micjones 09-18-2008 12:49 PM

We can adjust the offense to allow for maximum protection on Sunday.
That would be the smart thing to do regardless of who starts at QB.

Having Thigpen run around with the ball to avoid pressure is a bad idea.
That just gives Atlanta more opportunity to force turnovers.
You will never beat NFL defenses that way. Not consistently.

He's not a Michael Vick. He's not a Vince Young.
He can scramble a bit, but his legs aren't an effective way for this team to be competitive on Sunday.

This is the NFL. Not College or High School football.

CoMoChief 09-18-2008 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5031746)
So now you know what I was thinking, but I don't?

Right on, Ms. Cleo.

Back to the discussion:

Sure the OL needs to block better. But since they've shown NO progress in doing so, why continue to put a statue back there that lacks the mobility to at least ATTEMPT to make a play when blocking breaks down?

Is playing Huard going to make the OL block better?

Nope. In fact, it's going to make them look worse than they actually are.


Really, because in the whole scheme of things the ONLY times we've been remotely successful on offense is when Huard has been in the game.

And thats a FACT.

Micjones 09-18-2008 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5031796)
Yet an immobile QB that can't throw the ball more than 20 yards can?

I've seen Tom Brady underthrow a wide open Randy Moss.
You're making too much of 1 underthrown ball.

I've seen Huard throw the ball longer than 20 yards.
More than once...

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Huard has had 10+ years to prove his suckage.
Why do we keep getting hung up on this fact?
He's never proven in 10 years that he deserves to be a starter in the National Football League. Some of that has to do with who he was playing behind. Some of it does not.

At the end of the day his past has no bearing on whether or not he's the best QB on this team. His Chiefs tenure has proven he's clearly the most productive and effective QB. That should count for something.

I'm not clamoring for him to be a long-term answer.
I want the organization to make a play for Brady Quinn.
For right now though... Huard is the team's best option to produce offensively and have a chance to be competitive. Really and truly. No emotions involved.

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Thigpen has had half of a game.
He's also had the off-season to have shown himself worthy of an opportunity to play more often. He didn't do that on the field. Why do you keep glossing over this fact? His own Head Coach said 1 week ago that he DID NOT give this team the best chance of winning a game.

Micjones 09-18-2008 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5031806)
Really, because in the whole scheme of things the ONLY times we've been remotely successful on offense is when Huard has been in the game.

And thats a FACT.

That's not true CoMo.
Thigpen threw a garbage TD against a soft Raider defense.

OnTheWarpath15 09-18-2008 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 5031799)
We can adjust the offense to allow for maximum protection on Sunday.
That would be the smart thing to do regardless of who starts at QB.

Having Thigpen run around with the ball to avoid pressure is a bad idea.
That just gives Atlanta more opportunity to force turnovers.
You will never beat NFL defenses that way. Not consistently.

He's not a Michael Vick. He's not a Vince Young.
He can scramble a bit, but his legs aren't an effective way for this team to be competitive on Sunday.

This is the NFL. Not College or High School football.

Who said that?

Our offense is DESIGNED to get the QB out of the pocket.

DESIGNED.

The difference between Huard and Thigpen is that Huard cannot do what the offense is DESIGNED to do.

No one is advocating Thigpen run around for the sake of running around.

But when the blocking breaks down, and it will, at least Thigpen has the ABILTY and POTENTIAL to make something happen with his legs - instead of standing in the pocket like a statue waiting to become Abraham's 5th sack of the day.

People are bitching and moaning about how vanilla the offense is, yet they want us to go max protect to save Huard's ass? Yep, that's a great way to get away from the dink-and-dunk offense.

You bring a TE to help with McIntosh and you've solved 1 problem, but created another and left yet another unanswered.

A TE will help McIntosh, but that doesn't solve the problem of the RG or C getting beat like a drum.

You've just taken another receiver away from the QB by keeping a TE in to block.

And you've done all this for a guy that can't move outside the pocket, when you have a guy that can sitting on the bench.

You'd think the way people are bitching, that Edwards named Thigpen the starter for the rest of the year. This is a short term thing, folks, or at least until Croyle gets hurt again...


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