And your overall point was correct.

But you were dead wrong in including Allen in that argument.

So far it looks like our owner has no balls, and is quiet and conservative. We all know nothing will be said till the season is over.

It is indeed.
Good thing for both of us... I happened to go back and re-read your post.

Yep, those three sacks would be making all the difference right now.

Actually, those two sacks, unless we could have arranged for Cutler to run out of the back of the endzone...

If people can't see that he was just playing for a payday now...

Playing next to two of the best DT's in the league, and the best you can do for $70M is 3 goddamn sacks? And you didn't even have to touch the QB on one of them?

Carl's done a TON of stupid shit, but managing to get 3 draft picks, including a mid-first for an alcoholic with 2 strikes against him isn't on the list.


Where you said nothing about how having him here benefits Hali, our run support, or ability to pressure the QB.

Good job.
:bravo:

Are any of those things, added to a half-assed effort, worth $70M?

Didn't think so.

We can agree to disagree.
Remember... Allen was agreeable to a new contract with terms that protected the Chiefs from any further violations of the league's substance-abuse policy.

If you want to argue that he half-assed we can do so.
Don't pretend that I didn't read your post though. I did.
And you diminished Allen's value to this team.
We can argue whether or not it was the right decision all day, but let's not pretend that we wouldn't be in a MUCH better place if he were still here.

Hell, I've taken the two strikes out of the equation all together. And FWIW, Allen MAY have been agreeable to those terms. The player's union and the NFL would not have.

He's not worth $70M to this franchise.

He's showing he's not worth $70M to his CURRENT franchise.

Forget about the other two picks - Branden Albert means more to the future of this team, by merely playing the most important position on the TEAM other than QB - than Jared Allen EVER would have.

When you add two more players to the mix, a $70M paycheck and that 3rd strike looming over his head, it's not even close.

Albert and Dorsey wouldnt have happend as well as Flowers i believe without Allen going, a 4th round pick getting paid big time and now isnt doing much, 2 REAL sacks.

He gets that 3rd strike the chiefs are ****ed

No, we wouldn't.

Unless you live in a fantasy world where DE's are more important than LT's.

And how am I diminishing his value?

He's doing that all on his own in Minnesota.

His play, with 10X the supporting cast, isn't worth HALF of what he was paid.

What makes you think he would be producing here, with a much less talented supporting cast?

Wishful thinking.

We might have the replacement in the system already being brian johnston. He seems like hes of the same mold as allen was, the tall lean pass rusher type from a smaller school. Plus allen took a few years to really come on, although he showed some spurts of greatness along the way. from the limited action ive seen im not dissapointed in johnston.

Are we certain that the Chiefs couldn't have protected themselves financially in the event of another indiscretion on the part of Allen? I'm not trying to be disagreeable here (I really don't know), but I've never seen concrete evidence that such verbiage in a contract violates NFLPA policy.

He may prove to be. Thus far, we don't know how he'll fare in the NFL.

You said "forget about the other two picks".

Defensive Ends of his caliber are certainly worth $70M.

yeah but you can't put a DT at DE and expect any results. It was a stupid decision and Herm is now bitching because they have no pass rush.

WELL DUHH...

I value an elite DE right behind a franchise QB and LT.
And I think we know now that Herb Taylor would've been a suitable successor for McIntosh.
Besides... It's not like there were no other Left Tackles drafted after the First Round.

I'm guessing the 15.5 sacks that he amassed with a less talented supporting cast last year?
:shrug:

Not sure if you know, but Allen had 9 sacks in his rookie season.
Johnston hasn't seen much of the field.

Could he be his replacement? Sure. He COULD be.
I wouldn't depend on him to develop into that kind of player though.

Of his caliber?

16 tackles, 3 sacks, in 6 games. And one of those sacks was the biggest gift since Strahan/Favre.

He's on pace for 42 tackles and less than 8 sacks.

Show me the next guy that's going to be paid $70M with that stat line.