When matching up on 3-4 NT's yeah, I can see that.

Even that, I think Rudy needs to go back to the G spot.

From the way people seem to think around here, franchice QBs grow on trees. KC has an interesting record with drafting "Franchise" QBs.

I took a look at KC's drafted QBs since their inception in Dallas on profootballrefference.com. They have drafted a total of 29 QBs, 9 of which were drafted in rounds 1-3. Let's take a look...

Eddie Wilson, 3rd round '62 - 1 start (resulted in a tie) 0-0-1
Pete Beathard, 1st round '64 (2nd overall pick) - 1-1
Mike Livingston, 2nd round '68 - 31-43-1
Steve Fuller, 1st round '74 (23rd overall pick) - 13-18
Todd Blackledge, 1st round '83 (7th overall pick) - 13-11
Brodie Croyle, 3rd round '06 - 0-8

Add in... David Jaynes (3rd '74), Mike Elkins (2nd '89), and Matt Blundin (2nd '92) who never got a start.


Yeah, KC has a stellar record of drafting QBs. Our "Franchise" QB prospects have a combined record of 58-81-2. Oddly enough, the ONLY QB we drafted and started with a winning record is the one QB I've heard called the biggest failure in KC draft history - Todd Blackledge.

Like I said, our track record of signing FAs and trading for QB has been more successull to this point than drafting a QB. Even Kreig, Bono, and GrBac have been better for us than those we tried to draft, that should say a lot about KC's ability to draft/develop a QB. And the three best QBs to ever chunk the ball for KC IMO came via trades, Dawson, Montana, and Green.



Would I like to see KC draft the next Manning or Brady - ABSOLUTELY! But rational thinking tells me that if we ONLY look for potential QBs in the draft, we're really limiting our chances at finding a succesful QB.

The Chiefs need to draft a first day QB every other year and a second day QB on the off years.

It's LUDICROUS to expect a team to find a franchise quarterback when they've only selected ONE round one, two round two and ONE third round draft choice in 25 YEARS.

Meanwhile, Green Bay took Mark Brunell, Aaron Brooks, Matt Hasselbeck and Aaron Rodgers while Favre was on the roster (hell, there were probably more - I'm going off the top of my head).

THAT'S the way to use the draft, ladies and gents.

Dane, we can't afford to take a QB the first day of the draft every other year. We need those picks at other positions to make up for all the busts we drafted the year before.

In all actuality, the best time to draft a QB IMO is when you have a really good one on the roster. It would have been a smart move to use the pick we spent on Sims, Savai, or one of the many other busts for some QBs while Green was here. Worst case scenario, the QB pick turns out just like those picks did.

Ingle Martin was one. Craig Nall was another.

Which is an argument for need-based drafting, which has been a horrible failure.

People need to understand the importance of positional valuing and drafting the best available player within that framework.

And that's what I mean.

If the BAA is a QB, you take him, regardless of need.

The Chiefs ****ed up the draft from basically 1989 to 2007. They drafted for need and not BAA (with the exception of DT and TG).

The roster's been devoid of home-grown talent since.

I don't know if they drafted him or not, but Kurt Warner was up there too.

Well not only that, but if you have the choice between a guard with a draft grade of 100 and a DE with a grade of 98, you take the end because that position impacts the field more.

Now if it's a guard vs. a TE and the guard has a better grade, you take him.

You might as well be speaking Chinese to most of the people around here.

BPA, BPA, BPA, BPA. If at #1 BPA is a K you take him, BPA, BPA, BPA, BPA.

I am still waiting for a real rebuild.

Thats what I don't get about a lot of people being against a new coach installing a 3-4. Our "rebuilt" D is worse than GRobs. I mean, aside from Dorsey being basically a waste if we went to a 3-4, what other harm would be done?

And OJ's looking for the real killers.

Even while in prison.

Johnson is borderline small for a 3-4 backer, we don't have a 3-4 NT (which is maybe the hardest position in football to find), so basically you'd be flushing Tank, Hali, Dorsey, and maybe Johnson too.

The talent is in place, the coaching is not.