Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5322951)

I have always said that it is truly odd that so many of the NFL coaches, players, and analysts truly respect Herm as a coach.... yet the fans here think he is the worst ever.

The difference is that they have experience with the NFL and can see the hand Herm was dealt.

Herm has only been allowed to rebuild one year. One. Sure, he has three drafts. And, oddly, those three drafts have yielded more talent than the seven drafts prior to it.

I don't expect Herm and the scouting department to be perfect. I just expect them to go about building the Chiefs the right way.

They have.

Of course the players endorse him. Of course coaches like Billick, Shannahan and Gruden have endorsed him. Of course guys like Phil Simms has endorsed him. Of course, several guys on the Jets have talked about how much better Herm was as a coach.

They all have a true knowlege base to make a decision.

I am as frustrated as the next guy about certain things regarding Herm Edwards. But, EVERY coach has strengths and weaknesses.

All the complaints about Herm were very similar to the complaints about Bill Belichick until he stumbled onto this guy Tom Brady in the sixth round.

Originally Posted by chief103182 (Post 5322957)

This fanbase has some kind of obsession with holding on to EVERYTHING. Past and present, good or bad. Let the **** go and let this team develop into something new we haven't seen before: a winner.

Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey (Post 5323008)

I understand that - but IMO its just a surface look. Last year sucked, it was more carl's way than herm's way (FA > Draft) - then this year seemed to flip that (draft > FA) and carl was being shown the door. I see changes with our football team that are positive and can be attributed to Herm.

I see those negatives like you do too, and most of that is his responsibility. 85-95% of it. So if the new GM wants him to go - it'll be ok. BUT if the new GM gets bought in and we see year two of a truely Herm plan, I'm ok with that too.

In fact, because I know this years players and see this years changes - I'm more interested to see that second plan of action play out, rather than start again for the third year in a row. But that may just be me.

Originally Posted by kcfanXIII (Post 5322991)

to all herm apologists:
1. no half time adjustments, 8 games now have been lost by 7 points or less, all because of second half adjustments by the other team. I disagree that this all falls on herm. HC plan for the year then the week. The half time adjustments fall more heavily on the coordinators and the players. I tend to lend toward Jopo's assessment on this - that the opposing players are more experience with adjustments, and are outplaying our rookies. Add to that all the changes, starting rookies at the first of the year are not the starting rookies at the end of the year. the rookie wheel is spinning at some postions. Hard to show improvement through that, yet we still have.

2. piss poor clock managment; this has plauged him throughout his coaching career. I offer no rebutal to this, certainly a weakness of his.

3. coaching a brand of football that died with hair bands; i love defense as much as anybody, but you can't run a soft zone all the time. with the development of 3 rookie DBs this year, the chiefs should be running more man to man, to free up blitzers to help the pass rush. which in turn would help the DBs. I don't like being nailed down to any one thing. He adjusted on Offense - that was good, he hasn't adjusted on D, that's bad.

these three things alone are enough to make me wish for a new head coach. throw in some questionable draft picks, and less than average FA signings, and i begin to question his talent evaluation abilities as well. you can make as many excuses for the guy as you want, but if winning a superbowl is your ultimate goal, having a coach like herm edwards is the definition of neurosis.

Originally Posted by KCJohnny (Post 5323021)

Exactly. Billick did not know me from Adam. It was a breakfast with 2-4 Soldiers present. I had no idea he was even there until I sat down with my military powdered eggs and recognized him. He could tell I was not seeking a "yes man, make the troops happy" answer.

Herm inherited a very tough situation with the Carl Peterson 20-yr plan. The coaches and players on the inside do not need this explained to them.

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5322951)

I have always said that it is truly odd that so many of the NFL coaches, players, and analysts truly respect Herm as a coach.... yet the fans here think he is the worst ever.

The difference is that they have experience with the NFL and can see the hand Herm was dealt.

Herm has only been allowed to rebuild one year. One. Sure, he has three drafts. And, oddly, those three drafts have yielded more talent than the seven drafts prior to it.

I don't expect Herm and the scouting department to be perfect. I just expect them to go about building the Chiefs the right way.

They have.

Of course the players endorse him. Of course coaches like Billick, Shannahan and Gruden have endorsed him. Of course guys like Phil Simms has endorsed him. Of course, several guys on the Jets have talked about how much better Herm was as a coach.

They all have a true knowlege base to make a decision.

I am as frustrated as the next guy about certain things regarding Herm Edwards. But, EVERY coach has strengths and weaknesses.

All the complaints about Herm were very similar to the complaints about Bill Belichick until he stumbled onto this guy Tom Brady in the sixth round.

Originally Posted by kcfanXIII (Post 5322991)

to all herm apologists:
1. no half time adjustments, 8 games now have been lost by 7 points or less, all because of second half adjustments by the other team.

2. piss poor clock managment; this has plauged him throughout his coaching career.

3. coaching a brand of football that died with hair bands; i love defense as much as anybody, but you can't run a soft zone all the time. with the development of 3 rookie DBs this year, the chiefs should be running more man to man, to free up blitzers to help the pass rush. which in turn would help the DBs.

these three things alone are enough to make me wish for a new head coach. throw in some questionable draft picks, and less than average FA signings, and i begin to question his talent evaluation abilities as well. you can make as many excuses for the guy as you want, but if winning a superbowl is your ultimate goal, having a coach like herm edwards is the definition of neurosis.

Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 5323066)

Can we please leave the military out of this. One is game, the other is not.

Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey (Post 5323039)

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 5323066)

Can we please leave the military out of this. One is game, the other is not.

Originally Posted by Otter (Post 5323075)

Herm's worked with these guys for three years. Should it really be used as an argument in his favor that 2 players are endorsing him?

PS Germ, take note: “We’ve had some tough ones this year, but I don’t think his job should be in jeopardy,” Thigpen added. “He’s done what he should have done this year. Don’t blame him at all. If anyone wants to say that, come take it up with me.”

Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 5323038)

I see some good things he has done as well. It's not all negative in my mind, and I think we could see a big turn around next season, which is one of the reasons I want him gone now. I think he could get us to 8-8 next season, and that might earn him an extension, and that's what I don't want. I do not want him to get that extension, and then squander away the good young team that is being built with his horrible gameday coaching. I can envision us losing to an inferior team in the POs because of him. That's why it's best to axe him now, and hire someone who can take us to the promised land.

Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 5323112)

I think the only way some people will be happy is if a new coach came in and took us to the Superbowl the first year with every draft pick in the pro bowl....