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Reerun_KC 01-25-2009 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Extra Point (Post 5426815)
You're full of it. The piss-poor playcalling over the last four years, as a result of the the holes in our O-line, and inability to coach up the O-line, haven't clouded your vision, just made you blind.

Blind to what?

The Fact that Huard Quit on his team? Or his uncanty ability to fold under the slightest of pressure?

If you think Huard is an assest, then you shouldnt be questioning peoples vision...

Extra Point 01-25-2009 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5426820)
Blind to what?

The Fact that Huard Quit on his team? Or his uncanty ability to fold under the slightest of pressure?

If you think Huard is an assest, then you shouldnt be questioning peoples vision...

Remember the shouting match that Huard had with the sideline in the 07-08 season? I don't think that's quitting. He had it out with Father Time, and with Solari. Let's face it: that season was nothing but Herm pussy-footing and trying to get along with his immediate boss, a politically corrupt asshole.

Huard needs to call it quits, no question. But after having QB'd in this league for as long as he has, and with his knowledge from as many teams for which he played, he'd make a decent QB coach.

And no, I don't think Huard is an assest.

cdcox 01-25-2009 11:53 PM

I read the article and his top-side comparables are Donnovan McNabb and Trent Green. First of all, he doesn't have the physical tools or draft status that Donnovan McNabb does so I really discount that. That leaves Trent Green. There were 8 comparable QBs. A 1 in 8 chance to develop into Trent Green? Wooo HOOO.

Those aren't the kind of odds you want to wager a franchise on. Keep him around, but he should be a distant, distant plan B. If you bet on him, you're nuts.

Hammock Parties 01-25-2009 11:55 PM

Using statistics to compare quarterbacks is a terrible idea.

ChiefsCountry 01-25-2009 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 5426832)
I read the article and his top-side comparables are Donnovan McNabb and Trent Green. First of all, he doesn't have the physical tools or draft status that Donnovan McNabb does so I really discount that. That leaves Trent Green. There were 8 comparable QBs. A 1 in 8 chance to develop into Trent Green? Wooo HOOO.

Those aren't the kind of odds you want to wager a franchise on. Keep him around, but he should be a distant, distant plan B. If you bet on him, you're nuts.

Go look at top 5 QB picks since the merger. Odds look alot better.

chiefzilla1501 01-26-2009 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5426440)
54% is horrendously bad when you factor in the offense that was being run for him is predicated on easy completions...

Yes, but Big Ben, Matt Ryan, and Joe Flacco's first starts ran an offense predicated on using the run game to force 8 guys in the box to force easier completions too. I realize that the spread is an easier offense for a QB to run, but I would argue that the NFL version of the spread is harder for a young QB to run than an offense that is unapologetically "run first."

Extra Point 01-26-2009 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 5426861)
... I would argue that the NFL version of the spread is harder for a young QB to run than an offense that is unapologetically "run first."

Harder for a RB to accel, given the hand-off is way behind the LOS. D-line reads the play easier, letting the LBs and DBs read and cover better.

smittysbar 01-26-2009 01:08 AM

If Croyle is back next year, he would beat out Thigpen. He can't stay healthy. They have to either draft or find a QB for 09.

Marcellus 01-26-2009 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5426440)
54% is horrendously bad when you factor in the offense that was being run for him is predicated on easy completions...

As opposed to the West Coast offense or a run heavy play action offense? The spread is predicated on giving him time behind a bad line and giving him a look at the defense out the gate. The throws aren't any easier.

Marcellus 01-26-2009 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 5426832)
I read the article and his top-side comparables are Donnovan McNabb and Trent Green. First of all, he doesn't have the physical tools or draft status that Donnovan McNabb does so I really discount that. That leaves Trent Green. There were 8 comparable QBs. A 1 in 8 chance to develop into Trent Green? Wooo HOOO.

Those aren't the kind of odds you want to wager a franchise on. Keep him around, but he should be a distant, distant plan B. If you bet on him, you're nuts.

Who says we should wager the franchise on Thigpen? I have never read on epost that definitively says that. I have read where peoepl are not convinced we take a QB at #3 this year. This team has a lot of issues. I don't think that's a ridiculous thought.

I am glad Piolo is running this team rather than the narrow minded assholes around here who will bitch for years if we do take a QB at 3 and he ends up sucking after bitching all offseason that we have to draft a QB at 3.

cdcox 01-26-2009 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 5426994)
Who says we should wager the franchise on Thigpen? I have never read on epost that definitively says that. I have read where peoepl are not convinced we take a QB at #3 this year. This team has a lot of issues. I don't think that's a ridiculous thought.

I am glad Piolo is running this team rather than the narrow minded assholes around here who will bitch for years if we do take a QB at 3 and he ends up sucking after bitching all offseason that we have to draft a QB at 3.

1. It is very rare to have a draft pick high enough to have a shot at a QB who is identified before the draft to have this much potential. We may not get the opportunity to take a QB with this much talent again for a long time. If not now, when?

2. This narrow minded asshole has never even bitched about taking Ryan Sims. He looked like the right pick at the time. He wasn't. There are going to be some busts in the NFL. I did bitch about Herm because I didn't want him in the first place. Some people on here change their opinions more often than their underwear. That's not me.

rad 01-26-2009 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by smittysbar (Post 5426886)
If Croyle is back next year, he would beat out Thigpen. He can't stay healthy. They have to either draft or find a QB for 09.

Who's "Croyle" :D

Don't forget, we have Quinn Gray. Who knows what kind of mad skillz he'll be able to exzibit ona tha foozball field!!!11holler!!!

Marcellus 01-26-2009 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 5427004)
1. It is very rare to have a draft pick high enough to have a shot at a QB who is identified before the draft to have this much potential. We may not get the opportunity to take a QB with this much talent again for a long time. If not now, when?

2. This narrow minded asshole has never even bitched about taking Ryan Sims. He looked like the right pick at the time. He wasn't. There are going to be some busts in the NFL. I did bitch about Herm because I didn't want him in the first place. Some people on here change their opinions more often than their underwear. That's not me.

I wasn't specifically referring to you. I also am not in the camp that the top 2 QB's will be the quote " franchise QB" everyone is screaming about. It has been stated by Kyper and other draft experts that neither of the guys are close to Matt Ryan.

Look at it this way, if we didn't have such a question at QB, lets say we had Green from 5 years ago, and we had the #3 pick, would you be even slightly excited about Sanchez or Bradford at #3?

It's like your car breaks down and you go to the car lot and buy an overpriced car made by a company you have little knowledge of because well, I need a car and dammit I am going to buy one of the first ones I see or else I may never see another car again and then I'm stuck walking the rest of my life.

I believe the need for a "franchise QB" has caused their potential to be greatly exaggerated.

JMO

King_Chief_Fan 01-26-2009 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by smittysbar (Post 5426886)
If Croyle is back next year, he would beat out Thigpen. He can't stay healthy. They have to either draft or find a QB for 09.

smitty, you can't be serious. Croyle couldn't beat you for the QB position.
He showed nothing in his abilities and as you say, he can't stay healthy. You have to figure the can't stay healthy as part of the equation.

You are absolutely correct about drafting or finding a new QB.

smittysbar 01-26-2009 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan (Post 5427031)
smitty, you can't be serious. Croyle couldn't beat you for the QB position.
He showed nothing in his abilities and as you say, he can't stay healthy. You have to figure the can't stay healthy as part of the equation.

You are absolutely correct about drafting or finding a new QB.

Factoring in the staying healthy, he would lose, but if you are just going on QB performance during TC between the two, it isn't close. I have watched them both in TC.......but Brodie ended up having the body of a glass jar :doh!:


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