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DaneMcCloud 01-27-2009 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5430762)
Cassel sat for three years. Are you okay if Sanchez had to sit for two years?

Cassel played behind Tom Brady.

Sanchez won't be playing behind anyone.

BIG difference.

Mecca 01-27-2009 07:13 PM

You know what happens when you don't draft on potential and draft more on what a guy is...you get Tamba Hali, hows that working out?

Deberg_1990 01-27-2009 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5430798)
Sanchez won't be playing behind anyone.

BIG difference.

But, but..we have Tyler Thigpen. ROFL

melbar 01-27-2009 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5432147)
You know what happens when you don't draft on potential and draft more on what a guy is...you get Tamba Hali, hows that working out?

Or you can draft on potential and get Gholston...:D

BigChiefFan 01-27-2009 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5430718)
I'm sorry, we're in complete disagreement.

DJ has not performed like the #15 overall pick of the draft. He's performed more along the lines of a 3rd or 4th rounder. If you told me that Donnie Edwards was drafted #15 overall and DJ was drafted in the 4th (the exact opposite of reality), that would buy. But as we all know, that isn't the case.

DJ isn't a game-changing player. I was at the Jets game when he had a sure INT for 6 points, sealing the game. He dropped it. He does those types of things time and time and time again. And this past season, he was bit by the injury bug.

While the defense would improve dramatically if even average players were a the other OLB and MLB positions, Derrick Johnson's play would be the same.

He's just not a "special" player. The Chiefs missed again.

I agree he's not a special player, but I believe he's worth a 3rd rounder to some team.

melbar 01-27-2009 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5430798)
Cassel played behind Tom Brady.

Sanchez won't be playing behind anyone.

BIG difference.

I think the point here is he sat behind someone he could watch and learn from. He'll have none of that in KC...He'll be too busy running for his life if he's forced into the lineup with little experience and a poor line.

Mr. Laz 01-27-2009 08:59 PM

i heard that Sanchez loves playing "behind" other guys

RustShack 01-27-2009 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by melbar (Post 5432444)
Or you can draft on potential and get Gholston...:D

Your not dumb enough to call a player a bust after one season are you?

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-28-2009 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5432670)
Your not dumb enough to call a player a bust after one season are you?

You haven't read his other posts, have you?

CoMoChief 01-28-2009 02:41 AM

Why do people automatically assume Pioli is going to run a 3-4?

NEWSFLASH!!!!! Pioli isn't the ****in coach of the team. We don't know who the ****in coach is going to be. BB has always ran a 3-4 from what I can remember. Pioli doesn't coach shit. His job in NE was to help find the players that would fit in BB 3-4 scheme. Pioli doesn't call what defense a team is gonna run. In fact I dont know a GM that makes that call to begin with. They obviously have say in what philosophy they want the team to have. He may go after a coach thats strictly 4-3 or 3-4, we dont know.

What I do know is that from what we've drafted recently, we have NO ONE that can play a 3-4 scheme. Blowing up that now would IMO regress this defense if anything. People who think Dorsey and Tyler can make great 3-4 ends are smoking something that I want. Never can I remember either of them doing that in college, and now we expect them just to jump in with Boston NT Raji and away we go. Some people here are nuts.

milkman 01-28-2009 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5432947)
Why do people automatically assume Pioli is going to run a 3-4?

NEWSFLASH!!!!! Pioli isn't the ****in coach of the team. We don't know who the ****in coach is going to be. BB has always ran a 3-4 from what I can remember. Pioli doesn't coach shit. His job in NE was to help find the players that would fit in BB 3-4 scheme. Pioli doesn't call what defense a team is gonna run. In fact I dont know a GM that makes that call to begin with. They obviously have say in what philosophy they want the team to have. He may go after a coach thats strictly 4-3 or 3-4, we dont know.

What I do know is that from what we've drafted recently, we have NO ONE that can play a 3-4 scheme. Blowing up that now would IMO regress this defense if anything. People who think Dorsey and Tyler can make great 3-4 ends are smoking something that I want. Never can I remember either of them doing that in college, and now we expect them just to jump in with Boston NT Raji and away we go. Some people here are nuts.

This defense can regress?

You may be right in that Pioli might not dictate the defensive scheme, but let's assume, for the sake of argument that Pioli hires Haley.

Pioli's background is with Belichick and the 34 and Haley, while an offensive coach is still a Parcells guy, so I think it highly likely they both would be on the same page and will look to transition to a 34.

What you would expect then is for them to find the right coach to run the 34 (John Mitchell, D-Line, Keith Butler, LBs for the Steelers, or Todd Bowles, DB coach of the Dolphins), sign a couple of free agents that fit, and draft.

The Franchise 01-28-2009 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5432947)
Why do people automatically assume Pioli is going to run a 3-4?

NEWSFLASH!!!!! Pioli isn't the ****in coach of the team. We don't know who the ****in coach is going to be. BB has always ran a 3-4 from what I can remember. Pioli doesn't coach shit. His job in NE was to help find the players that would fit in BB 3-4 scheme. Pioli doesn't call what defense a team is gonna run. In fact I dont know a GM that makes that call to begin with. They obviously have say in what philosophy they want the team to have. He may go after a coach thats strictly 4-3 or 3-4, we dont know.

What I do know is that from what we've drafted recently, we have NO ONE that can play a 3-4 scheme. Blowing up that now would IMO regress this defense if anything. People who think Dorsey and Tyler can make great 3-4 ends are smoking something that I want. Never can I remember either of them doing that in college, and now we expect them just to jump in with Boston NT Raji and away we go. Some people here are nuts.

NEWSFLASH!!!!! Nobody is saying that we would automatically switch to a 3-4. If Pioli and (insert headcoach here) wanted to switch to the 3-4 then they would more than likely run a hybrid 3-4/4-3 until they could get the players in for the system. And you people act like we're SOOOOOO awesome at the 4-3. If they wanted to switch to the 3-4 then there already are 2 defensive FAs that they could go out and get. Terrell Suggs and Chris Canty.

DrRyan 01-28-2009 10:44 AM

McShay is pulling the "move my draft board around, make it look a little ridiculous" to get people talking. I can't see anyway he leaves his final mock draft looking like this. We shall see though.

DrRyan 01-28-2009 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5432670)
Your not dumb enough to call a player a bust after one season are you?

Yeah, a little early to call him a bust. But, if he can not find a way to make plays under Ryan in NY now, I think the bust title will be more deserved.

CoMoChief 01-28-2009 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23 (Post 5433448)
NEWSFLASH!!!!! Nobody is saying that we would automatically switch to a 3-4. If Pioli and (insert headcoach here) wanted to switch to the 3-4 then they would more than likely run a hybrid 3-4/4-3 until they could get the players in for the system. And you people act like we're SOOOOOO awesome at the 4-3. If they wanted to switch to the 3-4 then there already are 2 defensive FAs that they could go out and get. Terrell Suggs and Chris Canty.

I never said that we were good at the 3-4. What we have now is personnel proto-typical for a 4-3 defense.

We have no NT, and putting Dorsey and Tyler out on the ends is just a terrible idea.


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