His resume should speak for itself. When you are an all time great which i think DT is, you shouldnt need a presentation to get you in over the top. There is something else that is bothering the voters imo. If you need a "speech" to help you get in, then something is wrong.

Good read.

With Gretz, it seems like we're taking the proverbial knife-to-a-gunfight approach, obviously.

Despite all of his faults, Carl was a savvy business guy, who also loved DT, so I'm surprised he allowed this to continue.

Exactly.

The Hall's induction process is a black eye on the face of the NFL.

JMHO,

But I believe if Len Dawson did DT's presentation.... He'd get in... I have no f'ing idea why Bob Gretz gets to be KC's rep when Lenny the Cool (Media Member/Super Bowl MVP/HOF'er his damn self) is just sitting on Channel 9's set wondering what to have for lunch....

At the same time... I agree with this.

And a dull knife at that.


Man, have you ever heard Bob Gretz speak? I heard him on a couple of preseason games a while back, and he was slightly less dynamic than the dead bodies they find in the first five minutes of Law & Order.

Im thinking Derrick Thomas would have played until 2003-2005... and his untimely death certainly hurt his numbers, but his greatness can no longer be ignored.

Gunther and his dumbass "Falcon" scheme hurt DT a lot in peoples' minds. Now they think of him as a situational pass rusher rather than a complete LB who was a great pass rusher.

This, unfortunately, is an apt description.

You make an excellent point, Mr. kcxiv ... as usual.

After thinking about it, though, I'm not sure that the nominees would be "presented" if the "presentation" wasn't somehow useful in the decision-making process. Obviously, many of these voters aren't intimately familiar with every candidate's career, so it's important to get them up to speed ... quickly and favorably, if possible.

Although it's certainly true that a player's stats are and should be the primary consideration, I think that a solid, compelling case could make the difference - especially with swing voters or in years when it's a close call between two guys. Apparently, Gretz' problem is that he begins his pitch with, "We all know that DT's run defense kinda sucked and he didn't get a lot of INTs but ...". Essentially, I think he has the dynamic presentation skills of a forlorn cow. Anyway, even though it might not be the deciding factor, I don't see how he helps DT's case.

Anyhow, I honestly think that if DT had a more dynamic advocate, he'd probably already be in the hall.

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The NFL HOF seems to be primarily ring driven in a lot of instances. Win the big one, put up some numbers, and you're a lock.

Put up the numbers, no ring, and few playoff victories, and you're going to need an advocate.

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really? REALLY?!?

are you ****ing kidding me? ****. you can't call yourself a chiefs fan if you don't know that.

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Who is this guy? Who let him in here?

Let's kill him.

No ... let's take his liquor and cigarettes first, then kill him.

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Gimmie a break I'm only 12

you're on the goddamned internet. google it, dumbass. no need to douche it up like that.