It'll never happen.

He's got a 10 cent brain.

The point is that much like Brady if you knew what they were you would take them early. Great linebacker play isnt to be ignored and again outside of Punter or Kicker, an elite player is an elite player.


If you've seen my posts before I'm all for Stafford, I just have legitimate concerns about Sanchez. If anything Curry is being villanized to help make Sanchez' case. I'm just saying Curry is a legitimate part of the conversation at #3 if Stafford is gone.

So you'd take a guard that high?

Remember he was on Jake Long's cock as much as findthedouche was.

And I won that argument.

But no, no guards...

How do you figure you won that argument?

In the argument that Jake long was worthy of the #5 pick which was connected to the Both Longs, Dorsey, and Ryan are better choices than Gholston argument that we went round and round about last year, I think I've decidedly come out on top of to this point. Long is a franchise LT who handled the rush exceptionally for a rookie, pass blocked exceedingly well, and was a huge part of his teams improvement. If you cant concede that Jake Long has panned out pretty well for the Dolphins your just being dishonest and need to dial down on the pride a bit. The "people just voted for him because they recognized his name" argument is exceedingly lame too. If he wasnt doing his job well, the negative connotations connected to his name would have worked the same way. I have no problem admitting that I was wrong about Tashard Choice.

Things can always change, but to this point Jake Long > Gholston.

Pro-bowler whose team went worst to 1st and made playoffs or...

Roster fodder whose already being called out for his effort (I was right about that too) not matching "potential" by his new coach?

Why are you comparing Jake Long to players that play different positions to try to prove your point?

Ryan Clady and Branden Albert played just as well as Long did, if not better.

They were drafted #12, and #15 respectively.

Seeing as how there were comparable or better players available much later, it follows that Jake Long wasn't worth the #1 pick.

That makes no sense. Just because another team may have found a gem in the middle of the first (or later) who should have been ranked higher, doesn't mean your pick at #1 is any worse. If you got your franchise LT with the #1 pick, then he was worth it.

That's like saying you could have grabbed Kurt Warner as a free agent so your drafting of a Carson Palmer with the #1 pick wasn't worth it.

Exactly. The argument was about whether Long was worthy of top 5 if he was available. Another part of our argument was whether Gholston was a better choice.

Yeah, like my wife and I house hunting right now.

There are two houses we're looking at in the same neighborhood, that are almost identical.

One has an asking price of $300,000, and the other is listed at $255,000.

I'd be pretty ****ing stupid to pay $45,000 more for basically the same house.

Miami paid a shit-ton more for a guy that is no more talented than guys that went in the middle of the round.

You still dont have rain on your head and you could have paid 300,000 for a shack that doesnt work very hard.

You still needed a LT so which one do you take? Unless you get the elusive trade down partner (your saying to 12 or so?) your paying one of those guys the same money. Its a good house. Thats the argument. Because another house is also good doesnt make your house any less a franchise LT.

In your scenario the only way a top draft pick is good is if the guy pans out and all others bust. If someone taken later emerges as a good pick then in your mind your pick isn't good anymore and you should have taken someone else. That is nonsensical.

I need milk.

I can go to QT and pick up a gallon for $4.50, or I can go to the grocery store, which is the same distance from my house as QT is, and buy the exact same brand of milk for $3.25.

Why would I go to QT?

In the NFL, you don't draft for need, you draft for value. At least the good organizations do.

Jake Long was not a value pick at #1 overall.

They could have gotten the same results out of a later pick.

Matt Ryan would have been a value pick, because he was head and shoulders the best player at the position - and would give you results you wouldn't have gotten from a QB later in the draft.

Same with Aaron Curry this year.

He's a phenomenal talent, but he's not THAT much more valuable than Brian Cushing, who could be had in the late 1st round or early 2nd.

It has nothing to do with how they "pan out." It has to do with their potential as a prospect.

There were more questions raised about Jake Long as a prospect than there were about Clady. Some argued that Clady was the better prospect.

There were a TON of people here that noticed how little the difference in talent was between these guys.