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DeezNutz 02-09-2009 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5470927)
I don't really think Gonzo is questionable. I think he is automatic. He still isn't done and has broken most records.

For any sane voter he shouldn't be. But when Mr. Jewry couldn't exchange his hardware for enshrinement, it gives me serious pause.

For some players I don't even think there's the need for the formality of a vote. When they retire, the league should contact them and say, "See you in 5." Seriously.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-09-2009 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 5470926)
A guy who sets the all-time record for a position in nearly all categories?

Tough call, it really is if he's first ballot or not. The chances aren't as ugly as some posters like to think it is. All time receiving yards, TDs, catches for a TE? That's pretty big shit.

Also, Barry Sanders was a first ballot HOFer. And he won ONE playoff game.

Luckily the HOF committee actually looks at how good a player actually is, and not just how good of a team the guy was on for his career.

First of all Barry Sanders is a RB. RB and QBs are horrendously overrepresented.

Barry Sanders was also the most dynamic player of his generation, and anyone who thinks that he shouldn't have been a first ballot HOFer should be chemically neutered.

And the 1970's Steelers are filled with horrendously overrated guys who are in the HOF due to the success of the team rather than the individual.

FAX 02-09-2009 12:04 AM

It's funny that Gonzo is probably playing his best football right now. He's a better blocker than he's ever been, his hands are like tar, and he's dragging defenders just like always.

If Gonzo can't do it, you can't get in on the first ballot on stats and personal achievement alone.

FAX

DeezNutz 02-09-2009 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 5470934)
I think you're being wildly pessimistic about Gonzo... it's gotta be at least 60/40. He's considered a superstar, and when you get in a room one day and break down everything that he's going to accomplish, I think he's got a strong chance. As long as the presenter hammers home the fact he redefined the position and took "pass catching TE" to a new level. Although they do discriminate against TE's, but there haven't been too many as important to an offense as TG.

Perhaps. And I hope you're right.

But as soon as you start bringing up all these great attributes and pieces of praise, all richly deserved, it immediately forces us to return to the bottom line. With all these records and the on-field dominance, why couldn't he help lead that franchise to a single post-season win?

Again, I think it's garbage, but KC is also out of the media spotlight. Perhaps if he were the exact same player with the exact same team success in NY, his odds would be exponentially better.

ClevelandBronco 02-09-2009 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco (Post 5470905)
Two words: Randy Gradishar.

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5470922)
Yep.

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 5470928)
What next, Floyd Little?

In my opinion, no.

FAX 02-09-2009 12:10 AM

Gonzo has media appeal. Moreso than the Chiefs or any other recent Chiefs player, anyhow.

I realize that QB and RB are sexier positions, and I don't know for sure, but I'll bet there are WRs in the hall with worse receiving stats than Gonzo. If he continues to pad his stats for two or three more years, his odds are good that he'll get in on first ballot, in my view.

As for Willie, the homer in me says he deserves it, but those are long odds.

FAX

DeezNutz 02-09-2009 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 5470956)
Gonzo has media appeal. Moreso than the Chiefs or any other recent Chiefs player, anyhow.

I realize that QB and RB are sexier positions, and I don't know for sure, but I'll bet there are WRs in the hall with worse receiving stats than Gonzo. If he continues to pad his stats for two or three more years, his odds are good that he'll get in on first ballot, in my view.

As for Willie, the homer in me says he deserves it, but those are long odds.

FAX

No better example of the fact that the NFL HOF is a team sport than Lynn Swann.

ClevelandBronco 02-09-2009 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 5470956)
...I don't know for sure, but I'll bet there are WRs in the hall with worse receiving stats than Gonzo...

That's a safe assumption, Mr. FAX.

The game wasn't as receiver-friendly when I was young, and the TE didn't exist as a realistic passing threat.

Newsome, Winslow and Gonzalez, in that order, in my opinion these days. Sharpe follows Gonzo, but Sharpe gets into the Hall before Gonzo.

cdcox 02-09-2009 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco (Post 5470955)
In my opinion, no.

I'm funning you.

I like to poke Denver fans about the chip on their shoulders about not having very many HOFers. I have seen many of them cry over Floyd not being in the Hall (not close to deserving IMO), so it has become my go-to move whenever anyone complains about why donkey X isn't in the HOF.

Few with Gradishar's pro bowl and all conference accolades have been kept out of the HOF. He should get in eventually.

ChiefsCountry 02-09-2009 01:31 AM

How long did Randall McDaniel wait? Him and Shields were very similar type players.

DaKCMan AP 02-09-2009 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5471049)
How long did Randall McDaniel wait? Him and Shields were very similar type players.

2 years. Bruce Matthews went in McDaniel's first year of eligibility and Gary Zimmerman went in his second. I think it'll depend on who else is in Shields class.

ChiefsOne 02-09-2009 08:37 AM

My boss is friends with Wistrom and he went with him Saturday night to this. He said it was a cool experience and Shields was his favorite, genuinely a great guy.


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