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kstater 02-22-2009 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5516073)
I think he would be fine as a developmental prospect, but that isn't worth the #3 pick. #3 picks are supposed to be polished players that are ready to play this year, and be impact players next year.

As far as the rapist goes, don't know. Maybe that is why he coming out, so he will have the money to buy the silence of the girls he sexually assaults.

For the record, that was a joke. I am sure that some will blow it out of proportion.
Then I'd say your expectations of a QB are way too high.

doomy3 02-22-2009 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5516076)
I also conceded that his workout could very well hurt his draft status, dumb****.

And just for the record, I chose not to answer your question who the agent is.

I was the one who first posted his name a couple of days ago.
Yep, this is 100% true. In fact, you are the only "Sanchez guy" who has admitted this so far.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-22-2009 03:33 PM
Two stupid quarterbacks who look to run rather than pass, another guy who came from a system that was notorious for producing overrated prospects...and this is your sample size?

milkman 02-22-2009 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5516073)
I think he would be fine as a developmental prospect, but that isn't worth the #3 pick. #3 picks are supposed to be polished players that are ready to play this year, and be impact players next year.

As far as the rapist goes, don't know. Maybe that is why he coming out, so he will have the money to buy the silence of the girls he sexually assaults.

For the record, that was a joke. I am sure that some will blow it out of proportion.
Not at QB.

Ryan, Flacco and Peyton Manning were exceptions.

Most QBs, even top 5 guys, should be able to watch and learn for at least a season, or at the least, half a season.

SenselessChiefsFan 02-22-2009 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5516027)
To make sure this isn't obscured by being at the bottom of the page.
Well, I HOPE that Sanchez is better than Akili Smith. But it just shows how a guy can have one good year and then cash in.

Qb's need maturity and experience. I don't see it with this kid.

milkman 02-22-2009 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5516079)
I'm not attempting to make any kind of an argument on this subject. All I did in this thread was answer the original poster's question and post the facts of who was drafted, and then when Milkman said there were 3 first rounders, I pointed out there were 7. I mean, I understand what you are saying about what kind of offenses these guys were running in college and all that, but it is funny that the only one of these guys who has proven anything, Roethlisberger, also came from a spread offense, and he seems to be OK.
Yeah, sorry, I made a cursory glance at the list, and ****ed up.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-22-2009 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5516042)
Michael Vick Virginia Tech 2001
Rex Grossman Florida 2003
Ben Roethlisberger Miami (Ohio) 2004
Aaron Rodgers California 2005
Alex Smith Utah 2005
Vince Young Texas 2006
JaMarcus Russell LSU 2007


Well these are all first rounders, so there have been 7 actually since 1998. I would say that all but Ben and Rodgers have been pretty underwhelming, and the jury is still out on Russell.
Running QB
Spread QB
Spread QB (made it work, future HOFer most likely)
Rodgers
Spread QB
Running Spread QB
Notoriously Lazy QB.

If I were looking at this list, I'd say it tells me one thing:

Don't take a QB from the spread.

Reerun_KC 02-22-2009 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5516077)
For any position other than QB this should be the case.
At some point either this year or in 2011 we are going to have to draft and develop a QB...

Are we willing to throw away the next two seasons waiting on the 2011 draft class? People seem to think there are two ways to aquire a QB...

Do we want to have the "team" in place than have to sit around and watch guys get older, contracts expire, FA, etc, before we finally draft a QBOTF and invest the time into building a championship team?

Or do we draft one this year and start developing him so in 3 years we are maybe in place to make a playoff push to a championship?

Such a tough window we are in right now with nothing to speak of coming out next year in the QB position... And no, I see enough Big 12 football, there isnt ONE QB coming out next year worthy of a 1st round pick... Sorry OU fans...

Just Passin' By 02-22-2009 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5516073)
I think he would be fine as a developmental prospect, but that isn't worth the #3 pick. #3 picks are supposed to be polished players that are ready to play this year, and be impact players next year.

As far as the rapist goes, don't know. Maybe that is why he coming out, so he will have the money to buy the silence of the girls he sexually assaults.

For the record, that was a joke. I am sure that some will blow it out of proportion.
Sanchez is 22 years old. Even if he sits out for 2 seasons, he'll still be young when he takes over as the starter. There are valid reasons to avoid taking Sanchez at #3, but just thinking that he's not ready yet is not one of them, because a franchise quarterback is worth waiting a year or two for, no matter where he's picked in the draft.

SenselessChiefsFan 02-22-2009 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5516086)
Not at QB.

Ryan, Flacco and Peyton Manning were exceptions.

Most QBs, even top 5 guys, should be able to watch and learn for at least a season, or at the least, half a season.
I don't think it will happen that often anymore. It used to be the way of the NFL, but times have changed for the most part.

And, I am not talking about watching for a season. I am fine with that. I don't think he will be ready next year either, if then.

If you are going to wait two years, then you might as well draft a project like Nate Davis.

DeezNutz 02-22-2009 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5516080)
Yet, neither of the guys that are successes, Rothlisberger and Rodgers were top five picks. Neither had that pressure to deal with.
Is there some new magic pressure that goes with being the #3 overall pick as opposed to the #10?

Did Roethlisberger take the field, at any time, breathing a large sigh of relief that he didn't have to bear that enormous top 5 burden?

I'm sure the fanbase would have been very forgiving because, hey, he was just a shitty #10 overall pick, not a "top 5."

SenselessChiefsFan 02-22-2009 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5516098)
Sanchez is 22 years old. Even if he sits out for 2 seasons, he'll still be young when he takes over as the starter. There are valid reasons to avoid taking Sanchez at #3, but just thinking that he's not ready yet is not one of them, because a franchise quarterback is worth waiting a year or two for, no matter where he's picked in the draft.

Then we dissagree. And, that is fine. I don't think you pay a QB huge money to ride the bench for two years in the hopes that someday he gets it.

DeezNutz 02-22-2009 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5516107)
I don't think it will happen that often anymore. It used to be the way of the NFL, but times have changed for the most part.

And, I am not talking about watching for a season. I am fine with that. I don't think he will be ready next year either, if then.

If you are going to wait two years, then you might as well draft a project like Nate Davis.
Yep, times are a changing.

I remember and long for the glory days of '04.

Reerun_KC 02-22-2009 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5516109)
Is there some new magic pressure that goes with being the #3 overall pick as opposed to the #10?

Did Roethlisberger take the field, at any time, breathing a large sigh of relief that he didn't have to bear that enormous top 5 risk?

I'm sure the fanbase would have been very forgiving because, hey, he was just a shitty #10 overall pick, not a "top 5."
Look how shitty that Ryan Simms pick was...

he was a very safe pick...

DeezNutz 02-22-2009 03:43 PM
Shhhh.

QB's are the only risky and expensive selection in the top 5.

Other positions rarely bust and cost FAR less.


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