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'Hamas' Jenkins 02-25-2009 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5525249)
Here is another perfect example of the problem. Dirk is not misinformed at all. He's absolutely correct. Your response is an attempted explanation of WHY it happened, not proof that it didn't.

It's not explanation, it's empirical fact.

Mark Sanchez was demonstrably better than JD Booty in all Spring Practices, and all the coaches told Carroll he should be #1.

The mere fact that Carroll can recruit does not mean he knows how to coach at all. Look at his stint in the NFL, FFS.

DeezNutz 02-25-2009 09:28 AM

Very nice post, 'Hamas'.

I'm surprised this qualified as your thesis, but I guess it might have been a tier-5 university.

Your username is hereby changed to 'Hamas' Jefferson, due to the documents you've labored to pen on behalf of the notorious gang of 14.

dirk digler 02-25-2009 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchoupitoulas (Post 5525254)
Really disagree about Stafford. I don't post often, so consider this an important enough point for me to step out of anonymity and make a point:

Although not a huge Georgia fan, I have lived in Atlanta the past 5 years and have watched a lot of Georgia football with Georgia alums. Stafford is soft physically and soft in the head. He is a doughy primadonna. If there is an "it" factor he has the opposite of that.

And the amazing thing is that every Georgia fan I know, agrees with this. He is not a winner, he is not a team guy, he does not inspire fellow players or fans, he feels that he is entitled to greatness, he is not tough, and he is not very smart. Can he throw a deep ball - yes, but that's it. How this guy is perceived as a top pick is way beyond me. Any person who touts this guy as special either has not watched him play more than just casually or has fallen in love with his arm strength. That includes all the so called draft gurus at the major media outlets. This guy will set back any team that drafts him with a top pick for years. Do not want.

Franchise quarterbacks are great, unfortunately this guy is not one of them.

Thanks for the insight and input. You should post more and don't be such a lurker. :)

Mecca 02-25-2009 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 5525260)
Are you suggesting that Pete Carroll cared more about starting Booty then winning?

I'm suggesting that Pete Carroll is a stubborn coach that wanted to start his older 5 star QB over his younger one for recruiting purposes...

Booty was the #1 QB in the nation his recruiting year and I do think the effect it would possibly have on QB recruiting played in I also think he thought he would get 2 years out of Sanchez playing this out and when that didn't happen he got upset about it.

Pete Carroll was literally the only person on that coaching staff or at that school that thought Booty deserved to start.

Pioli Zombie 02-25-2009 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5525226)
Just a couple of thoughts here.
Both are things that I've said before.

First, when it appeared that the QBs who would be declaring for the draft were Matt Stafford and Sam Bradford, those of us who were arguing that Stafford was the better prospect were met by arguments that he wasn't ready, and that we shouldn't draft him.

Now that it has played out that Stafford and Sanchez, who no one expected to declare, are the QBs, and that sanchez will be the one available, those of us that are supporting Sanchez are met with the "Sanchez isn't ready, but we'd love to have Stafford" argument.

It just appears that there are people who simply are afraid to risk taking a QB.

Second thought here, I would argue that Stafford's physical ability makes him look like the kid with higher upside, but Sanchez's leadership and maturity, and the way he shows up in the biggest games against the better teams gives him as much upside.

I posted it elswhere, but it's worth repeating, Sanchez best games were against the best teams the Trojans faced, OSU, Oregon and Penn St., throwing for 11 Tds and only 1 pick combined.

I agree totally ( i know that will probably worry you)

Im more concerned with leadership, poise, maturity, work habits,competitiveness, and rising up to the occassion in big moments than i am in raw physical talent.

before anyone says it, yes, you need physical skills, but the Montanas and Bradys and Roethlisburgers have that certain intangible that Jeff George didnt, you know?

Bledsoe was tall, had the strong arm, but Brady walked in and you just saw his poise in the pocket and could see he was better.

so ive determined that if they go for the Qb id much rather have Sanchez.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-25-2009 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchoupitoulas (Post 5525254)
Really disagree about Stafford. I don't post often, so consider this an important enough point for me to step out of anonymity and make a point:

Although not a huge Georgia fan, I have lived in Atlanta the past 5 years and have watched a lot of Georgia football with Georgia alums. Stafford is soft physically and soft in the head. He is a doughy primadonna. If there is an "it" factor he has the opposite of that.

And the amazing thing is that every Georgia fan I know, agrees with this. He is not a winner, he is not a team guy, he does not inspire fellow players or fans, he feels that he is entitled to greatness, he is not tough, and he is not very smart. Can he throw a deep ball - yes, but that's it. How this guy is perceived as a top pick is way beyond me. Any person who touts this guy as special either has not watched him play more than just casually or has fallen in love with his arm strength. That includes all the so called draft gurus at the major media outlets. This guy will set back any team that drafts him with a top pick for years. Do not want.

Franchise quarterbacks are great, unfortunately this guy is not one of them.

There have been Georgia fans on this very board who have registered and posted just to tell us how good of a player, a teammate, and a leader Stafford is, so your axiomatic "Every Georgia fan" is completely fabricated bullshit.

DeezNutz 02-25-2009 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5525201)
Gang of 14?

No worries.

Your sash, with the embroidered "**** True Fans" is in the mail.

Just Passin' By 02-25-2009 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5525262)
It's not explanation, it's empirical fact.

Mark Sanchez was demonstrably better than JD Booty in all Spring Practices, and all the coaches told Carroll he should be #1.

The mere fact that Carroll can recruit does not mean he knows how to coach at all. Look at his stint in the NFL, FFS.

Ok, so you don't know the difference between "fact" and "opinion"? The "fact" is that Booty beat out Sanchez for the job. The "opinion" is that he didn't do so based upon performance and/or the chance to win games.

Tchoupitoulas 02-25-2009 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5525274)
There have been Georgia fans on this very board who have registered and posted just to tell us how good of a player, a teammate, and a leader Stafford is, so your axiomatic "Every Georgia fan" is completely fabricated bullshit.

I said every GA fan "I know" I don't know those GA fans. But there are stupid GA fans just like there are stupid Chief fans, and they're all entitled to their opinions.

milkman 02-25-2009 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5525275)
No worries.

Your sash, with the embroidered "**** True Fans", is in the mail.

Does this mean I can sign the treatise with my

John Hancock

Frosty 02-25-2009 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5525229)
I never vote in these polls, so I guess that leaves me out.

:banghead:

Me too.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-25-2009 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5525276)
Ok, so you don't know the difference between "fact" and "opinion"? The "fact" is that Booty beat out Sanchez for the job. The "opinion" is that he didn't do so based upon performance and/or the chance to win games.

I'm sorry, but when I see the paucity of analysis that you bring Re: USC and compare it to one of our best football posters who has followed USC religiously for years, posts on USC boards, and keeps track of all of their moves within their program, I'm going to believe him over you, especially when combined with the rampant intellectual dishonest that you've displayed in all of your fabricated "arguing for the sake of arguing" posts, such as the fact that teams are better off searching outside of the first round.

Again, I apologize that something as impossibly simple as basic addition and how to read a number line (things like 60>40) are lost upon you, I really am. Because I wouldn't have to sit here and watch you fumble around and **** them up.

DeezNutz 02-25-2009 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchoupitoulas (Post 5525280)
I said every GA fan "I know" I don't know those GA fans. But there are stupid GA fans just like there are stupid Chief fans, and there all entitled to their opinions.

Not to discredit you or your friends, but there are otherwise very intelligent posters on this very site who will tell you, emphatically, that a football team should be fully constructed before adding the QB, the final piece of the puzzle.

Everyone can have a particular blind spot, and it's usually the highest profile player on any given team that draws the most unfair criticism. Why? Because he has the talent. He's the one who is supposed to be carrying the team.

It's a lot easier to sharp shoot this guy than some ****ing scrub who sucks the penis.

DeezNutz 02-25-2009 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5525282)
Does this mean I can sign the treatise with my

John Hancock

Hey, dude, you keep that shit in your pants.

This is a family board.

OnTheWarpath15 02-25-2009 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5525282)
Does this mean I can sign the treatise with my

John Hancock

It's HERBIE Hancock.

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