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Mecca 02-26-2009 09:56 AM

This is the worst noob season in history...it's like a Carl Peterson draft class.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-26-2009 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5528818)
Your football knowledge isn't quite nonexistent, but my dog probably knows more than you've shown in the past month or so. And the irony of you claiming that I "rag ass" all the time was yet another fun little tidbit in your post.

Do you even realize what an idiot you make yourself out to be?

Again, a passing of the buck.

You think that we're new to this tactic here?

It's called deflection, and it's all you ever do.

You don't say why you oppose one of these players. You offer no substantive reason why they may not succeed, you merely make a series of claims with absolutely no evidence to support them.

There may well be evidence to make such an argument, but without it, your argumentative style is the equivalent of a vagrant shouting from a milk crate.

Here's a simple lesson that was obviously never taught to you

Claim+evidence-counterargument+refutation=Argument

All you do right now is make claims. Hell, even that is a bit of a stretch.

Mecca 02-26-2009 09:59 AM

I've yet to really figure out what Just Passin By is even trying to say he generally has no point other than trying to argue some kind of semantic that usually involves a phrase like "you aren't as smart as you think you are"

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-26-2009 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5528842)
I've yet to really figure out what Just Passin By is even trying to say he generally has no point other than trying to argue some kind of semantic that usually involves a phrase like "you aren't as smart as you think you are"

I would almost guarantee that he's a mult.

CrazyHorse 02-26-2009 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5528829)
This is the worst noob season in history...it's like a Carl Peterson draft class.

You're a noob as far as I'm concerned.

Rigodan 02-26-2009 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5528818)
Your football knowledge isn't quite nonexistent, but my dog probably knows more than you've shown in the past month or so. And the irony of you claiming that I "rag ass" all the time was yet another fun little tidbit in your post.

Do you even realize what an idiot you make yourself out to be?

I'm staring to think this is Pioli zombie's duplicate account.

CrazyHorse 02-26-2009 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5528842)
I've yet to really figure out what Just Passin By is even trying to say he generally has no point other than trying to argue some kind of semantic that usually involves a phrase like "you aren't as smart as you think you are"

I'm going to go out on a limb and say, he's trying to say that taking a QB with no experience is risky. Since there has never been a QB with one year starting taken a year early that has ever done anything in the history of the NFL, it's especially risky. Since the bust rate of taking a QB in the NFL in the top 5 is the highest of any player, and that your propspect is one with only a years experience, making him a high risk prospect is a risk he would'nt take if he thought there was an actual player that stood more of a chance of being successful. Given we have so many needs.

I'm just guessing though.

Just Passin' By 02-26-2009 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5528833)
Again, a passing of the buck.

You think that we're new to this tactic here?

It's called deflection, and it's all you ever do.

You don't say why you oppose one of these players. You offer no substantive reason why they may not succeed, you merely make a series of claims with absolutely no evidence to support them.

There may well be evidence to make such an argument, but without it, your argumentative style is the equivalent of a vagrant shouting from a milk crate.

Here's a simple lesson that was obviously never taught to you

Claim+evidence-counterargument+refutation=Argument

All you do right now is make claims. Hell, even that is a bit of a stretch.

Wow! If you weren't completely wrong, I'd feel bad about myself. Let's try it again, genius, and I'll type in easy, separated points just for you.

1.) I don't care who the Chiefs take at #3, or even if they use the pick rather than trading it.

2.) I trust that Pioli will have done his due diligence and will choose appropriately.

3.) I can understand why some people want to take Stafford/Sanchez.

4.) I can understand why some people DON'T want to take Stafford/Sanchez.

5.) The value of a blown pick at QB is NOT greater than the value of a successful pick at another position just because you could have drafted that other position successfully at a lower position. The reason is that the value of a bust is zero if it's a complete washout and nearly zero if it's just a crap player, and the negative impact of such a bust can be significant.

6.) I think it's moronic to attack people just because they don't like these QBs.

Rigodan 02-26-2009 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5528878)
Wow! If you weren't completely wrong, I'd feel bad about myself. Let's try it again, genius, and I'll type in easy, separated points just for you.

1.) I don't care who the Chiefs take at #3, or even if they use the pick rather than trading it.

2.) I trust that Pioli will have done his due diligence and choose appropriately.

3.) I can understand why some people want to take Stafford/Sanchez.

4.) I can understand why some people DON'T want to take Stafford/Sanchez.

5.) The value of a blown pick at QB is NOT greater than the value of a successful pick at another position just because you could have drafted that other position successfully at a lower position. The reason is that the value of a bust is zero if it's a complete washout and nearly zero if it's just a crap player, and the negative impact of such a bust can be significant.

6.) I think it's moronic to attack people just because they don't like these QBs.

Ya this has to be Pioli Zombie

Mecca 02-26-2009 10:10 AM

So basically on a forum we should all have nothing to say other than "trust Pioli!"

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-26-2009 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse (Post 5528870)
I'm going to go out on a limb and say, he's trying to say that taking a QB with no experience is risky. Since there has never been a QB with one year starting taken a year early that has ever done anything in the history of the NFL, it's especially risky. Since the bust rate of taking a QB in the NFL in the top 5 is the highest of any player, and that your propspect is one with only a years experience, making him a high risk prospect is a risk he would'nt take if he thought there was an actual player that stood more of a chance of being successful. Given we have so many needs.

I'm just guessing though.

Here's the 64K question:

Next year's class has no viable prospects from pro systems.

Are you going to burn another high pick on a guy like Bradford, who will have an even greater learning curve from college to the NFL than Sanchez?

You do realize that Sanchez can sit and learn, yes? That no one on here is advocating him starting opening day?

Do you also realize that this team has 7 playoff wins in history, 6 of which were by HOF QBs. The other one came against Todd Marinovich.

The list of QBs who have beaten us in the playoffs in the last 20 years is a laundry list of HOFers.

It also takes a QB 3 years to develop. By the time you build this fictitious team and then get the QB, what do you have? At best, the 2008 Ravens, a solid all around team whose QB isn't yet good enough to make a drive when they need one.

Does everyone really want the 1990's again?

Just Passin' By 02-26-2009 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5528884)
So basically on a forum we should all have nothing to say other than "trust Pioli!"

Not at all. But telling people to "die in a fire" and worse just because they disagree about the odds of Sanchez becoming the next great QB is pathetic.

Just Passin' By 02-26-2009 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Rigodan (Post 5528883)
Ya this has to be Pioli Zombie

No, it's not. Feel free to have someone who runs the board verify it.

Mecca 02-26-2009 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5528900)
Not at all. But telling people to "die in a fire" and worse just because they disagree about the odds of Sanchez becoming the next great QB is pathetic.

I don't care if they disagree but I expect a reasoned argument.....

Just Passin' By 02-26-2009 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5528911)
I don't care if they disagree but I expect a reasoned argument.....

They've given them time and again. Just because you don't agree with the conclusion, you claim the argument isn't reasoned.


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