Yup, and years of Bobby Grier giving out top-tier contracts that murdered our salary cap, too. The Pats had some good players when he arrived: Ted Johnson, Tedy Bruschi, Willie McGinest, Troy Brown, Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, etc., but they were by no means a good team.

Agreed, the insight kept me from beating my wife. Well, tonight anyway.

Thanks.

The Chiefs are my team, but I'm an NFL guy. And I generally don't find myself looking at our team through rose colored glasses. Keep in mind, whatever this new management group does has to be better than what the former regime did. And that's 20+ years of mediocrity.

Don't forget the bar isn't set that high here.

No doubt. He is at minimum better than anything we have seen from our defense in the past season. Coaches and staff can only teach so much. Some people learn better by watching someone do it, we know that from watching kids learn in school for nuts sake! And Vrabel is being brought in to do just that. Now I know opinions are like assholes, everybody has one and they all stink. Just wanted to stick my asshole in this particular discussion. Take that! Take that!:eek:

What makes him a good pass rusher, Amno? He always struck me as someone who was very smooth in getting to the quarterback. Made it look easy at times.

I hope all of you are correct but I'll believe it when I see it. Unless Vrabel has received some sort of incentives we're not privy to, he can't be happy about this deal.....and rightly so.

Hopefully, Pioli had some discussions with Vrabel before the trade was finalized. But Pioli doesn't seem big on talking to players. Well, ok, maybe he talks to NE players.

Not Amnorix, but watched quite a bit of the pats this year, and can say that He's good at the point of attack, but he's not the guy he was the past couple of years speed wise.

Plus he didn't have as good as a defensive backfield behind him. Sure makes a difference when the dbacks are playing good coverage when it comes to gettin after the qb.

For everyone that is complaining about maybe losing a 6th or 7th round pick in this trade, here is our all pro line up of 6th and 7th rounders since 2000

6 170 Barry Richardson T Clemson
6 182 Kevin Robinson WR Utah
7 210 Brian Johnston DE Gardner-Webb
7 239 Mike Merritt TE Central Florida

6 196 Herb Taylor T Texas Christian
7 231 Michael Allan TE Whitworth

6 186 Tre' Stallings G Mississippi
6 190 Jeff Webb WR San Diego State
7 228 Jarrad Page DB UCLA

6 187 Will Svitek T Stanford
6 199 Khari Long DE Baylor
7 229 James Kilian -- Tulsa
7 238 Jeremy Parquet T Southern Mississippi

6 195 Jeris McIntyre WR Auburn
7 231 Kevin Sampson T Syracuse

6 189 Jimmy Wilkerson DE Oklahoma
7 230 Montique Sharpe DT Wake Forest
7 252 Willie Pile DB Virginia Tech

7 221 Maurice Rodriguez -- Fresno State

6 176 Alex Sulfsted T Miami (Ohio)
7 212 Shaunard Harts DB Boise State
7 243 Terdell Sands DT Tennessee-Chattanooga

6 188 Darnell Alford T Boston College
7 208 Desmond Kitchings WR Furman

Bunch a badasses right there. Bunch. Quite a few.

Thanks Amnorix.
I've heard he can play all positions but is usually an OLB. So you think with loss of speed he may play ILB for us or is he still better on the outside? We need guys outside so that's my guess.

I'm downloading chiefs vs patriots right now, going to take a closer look. I kinda want to watch it tonight after I get back from the bars, but on a laptop with no sound that's probably not going to be that enjoyable.

If Carl Peterson was still running our drafts, you'd have a point.

The guy that IS running our draft has plucked some serviceable players out of the late rounds.

Antwan Harris
David Givens
Tully Banta-Cain
Dan Koppen
Matt Cassel

And some schmuck named Tom Brady.

Again, where does this come from, that it was a 6th or 7th? How do we know?

The Tom Brady notion is spot on. But it's kinda one of those once in a lifetime kinda things don't you think.

I'm not naive enough to expect us to find our Tom Brady in the 6th or 7th round.

Then why can't you trust his judgement?

No way you just said that.....