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DeezNutz 03-02-2009 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 5546385)
LOL. HOLY SHIT. WE'RE a TOP 10 D NOW??????

It's the natural progression from #31 and 10 ****ing sacks.

Demonpenz 03-02-2009 09:51 AM

it is going to take years to fix this D. As ususal some people don't want to give up on guys they know and got attachment too. The fact is Tamba and Derrick johnson suck

SenselessChiefsFan 03-02-2009 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 5546387)
Wow. An advocate for drafting a 3-4 MLBer in the top 3 equals epic fail.

Actuallly, it is ILB in a 3-4 which is different than an MLB.

BigChiefFan 03-02-2009 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5546409)
Actuallly, it is ILB in a 3-4 which is different than an MLB.

ROFL

SenselessChiefsFan 03-02-2009 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 5546408)
it is going to take years to fix this D. As ususal some people don't want to give up on guys they know and got attachment too. The fact is Tamba and Derrick johnson suck

Derrick Johnson needs to go. And, he will in due time. He will be more effective in the 3-4 because the defensive line will not be trying to get upfield, and DJ will see less blockers. He will be able to use his talent to play sideline to sideline. But, please don't think I am a fan of DJ. I didn't want them to draft him and I don't think he is any better today than I did then.

I dissagree on Hali. I think Hali will be very good, and will be one of the foundational pieces of the Chiefs defense.

Mecca 03-02-2009 09:55 AM

If you believe in Derrick Johnson at all, which I personally don't, Curry isn't really who you should be picking since they'd play the same 3-4 position.

BigChiefFan 03-02-2009 09:59 AM

Yea, maybe you should tell us if he's the Mike candidate or the TED. Then once, you figure that out, then you can maybe look it up, that is NOT ADVISED to spend top money on either position.

SenselessChiefsFan 03-02-2009 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5546423)
If you believe in Derrick Johnson at all, which I personally don't, Curry isn't really who you should be picking since they'd play the same 3-4 position.

#1) I am not a DJ fan. Never have been. Understood 'why' the Chiefs took him, just never thought he would be a great player.

#2) DJ and Curry are NOT the same player. Curry is a solid tackler that sheds blocks and blows up plays. He is not a coverage linebacker that runs around blocks. He is also an emotional leader on the field.

#3) You need two ILB's. That is the meaning of 3-4, and BOTH have to be able to cover sideline to sideline.

Perhaps you don't understand the 3-4, but you can rush either OLB, and that shifts one ILB into a pseudo MLB role and one into a pseudo OLB role, depending on the formation and which OLB was rushed.

You need two guys that are good in coverage. You need two guys that can make plays all over the field.

That is why most ILB's are not as big as typical MLB's.

Dave Lane 03-02-2009 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5546243)
That would end with Todd Haley killing him on the sideline, oh shit bring him back I'd pay to see that.

I'd rep this if I wasn't out of rep :)

Mecca 03-02-2009 10:02 AM

If you put Curry and DJ up the middle of this 3-4 without a NT they are both going to die.

htismaqe 03-02-2009 10:08 AM

If the Chiefs take Curry, they're likely still going to need TWO OLB's, because he's an ILB in a 3-4. If they take him, so be it, but I really hope they don't expect him to play OLB in a 3-4.

Chief Faithful 03-02-2009 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5546211)
They do need another OLB, because Vrabel is on his last legs. They will need a DE because Boone has only a couple of years left.

As far as NT, they don't have the prototypical guy on the roster, BUT, teams often have to play without prototypical guys at ever position. And, I think Tank and Dorsey will be fine there.

Vrabel also can play inside so why not let Curry show if he can play outside first and if not then move him inside.

Mecca 03-02-2009 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Faithful (Post 5546475)
Vrabel also can play inside so why not let Curry show if he can play outside first and if not then move him inside.

He can't play outside in a 3-4, 3-4 OLBs are like athletic DE's he's not a pass rusher.

htismaqe 03-02-2009 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5546441)
#1) I am not a DJ fan. Never have been. Understood 'why' the Chiefs took him, just never thought he would be a great player.

#2) DJ and Curry are NOT the same player. Curry is a solid tackler that sheds blocks and blows up plays. He is not a coverage linebacker that runs around blocks. He is also an emotional leader on the field.

#3) You need two ILB's. That is the meaning of 3-4, and BOTH have to be able to cover sideline to sideline.

Perhaps you don't understand the 3-4, but you can rush either OLB, and that shifts one ILB into a pseudo MLB role and one into a pseudo OLB role, depending on the formation and which OLB was rushed.

You need two guys that are good in coverage. You need two guys that can make plays all over the field.

That is why most ILB's are not as big as typical MLB's.

Agree 100% on almost every account.

3-4 ILB's essentially need to be nickel backers. I think DJ and Curry are both suited, Curry perfectly so, to be 3-4 ILB's.

The problem is that we have the #3 overall pick. I've said it before, we picked the wrong year to go 2-14.

Mecca 03-02-2009 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5546473)
If the Chiefs take Curry, they're likely still going to need TWO OLB's, because he's an ILB in a 3-4. If they take him, so be it, but I really hope they don't expect him to play OLB in a 3-4.

I still think if you wanted a ILB this bad you'd be better off moving and taking Maualuga who I personally feel is a much better fit for a 3-4.


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