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StcChief 03-08-2009 01:21 PM

Whitlock is slowly leaving town. a welcome change. his King Carl meal ticket is over.

RealSNR 03-08-2009 01:22 PM

Whitlock is saying I CAN question Pioli?

NO SHIT SHERLOCK.

Should I question Pioli at this point, after his new team hasn't even taken an offseason snap in PRACTICE?

Whitlock is obviously hurt by all this. It's also hilarious that he doesn't bring up the fact that Clark Hunt was doing the exact same shit when/before he hired Pioli. Didn't leak out ANYTHING about any possible hires or how the deals were coming... NOTHING. And yet Pioli is the one responsible for Whitlock having nothing to report?

Whitlock is obviously crying because he can't bitch about Carl, LJ, or race relations right now. And he won't get a chance to for awhile. He won't have any decent column with any pertinent information until the ****ing draft. He's upset by this, and this where the article came from. He really needs to stop being a fat crybaby.

Bowser 03-08-2009 01:26 PM

What a crybaby article.

Brock 03-08-2009 01:54 PM

Waaah, lack of access

wild1 03-08-2009 01:57 PM

i remember reading that article Whitlock wrote after Carl was canned, where he downplayed Carl and he's nemesis relationship, calling Carl nothing more than "a handy foil". Bullcrap... he's lost half his material. He'll have to go back to criticizing NBA players for acting like thugs, in a city that cares nothing about the NBA.

Having him lined up aside a real writer like Posnanski is a stark contrast

htismaqe 03-08-2009 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C-Mac (Post 5565758)
Having worked in sports-talk radio, I’m aware the discipline requires a dramatic and healthy loosening of journalistic standards.

It all sounds well and good, Jason. Until one considers that you're a COLUMNIST, not a reporter. You get paid to do the SAME THING you're accusing Keitzman of doing.

ROFL

whoman69 03-08-2009 03:10 PM

I think Whitlock has only made part of a point. It is the media's job to question things that are going on. However when they are questioning only to question they lose relevance.

I can see the need for secrecy to keep our opponents in the dark, but our fans too? Why won't they tell us which coaches are going where. Why can't they tell us what the situation is with hiring a DC? Are they protecting our coaches? I'd have to say no, they probably already know what their roles will be. Are we hiding our scheme? Wow that will work until we take our first snaps in practice.

Any organization that lacks the confidence to stand up to a little media criticism probably are doing things they shouldn't be doing. If they feel that their decisions can't stand up to scrutiny they must not have too much confidence in those decisions. Any coach or GM who wakes up and questions what they are doing because of an article in the KC Star or on talk radio probably shouldn't be in the position they are in.

jAZ 03-08-2009 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo (Post 5565809)
There is a difference between question and criticize. I don't think most people want to criticize Pioli at this point, but they may to to question the way he goes about doing things. We question the way Sprint is run...we question elected officials all the time, so why can't fans, ticket holders, media question the way the Chiefs are being run?

To be honest they blew that whole Cassel phone call, and got busted doing it. If Carl had done the same thing people would demand he be fired.

There is a difference, but we are getting a lot of criticism, not questioning around here.

Questioning is "I have no idea what he's doing, but it's not fair to judge yet because he's just getting started and he's got a great record".

Criticism is any form of "Pioli = Carl Peterson" at this point. Whether it's masked as "Cassel = Bono" or "our New Carl Peterson" or "it is the same old song" or whatever.

And criticism at this point is un-fugging-reasonable.

I don't know your intentions,

Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan 03-08-2009 04:36 PM

As soon as I saw it was a Fatlock article I didn't even bother reading it.

How that guy still has a job still fascinates me.

ChiefsCountry 03-08-2009 04:41 PM

Actually I think its perfectly okay to question Pioli, judging by the other teams hires from the Pats it looks like Belichick was the reason for the success. I'm still skeptical on him.

Basileus777 03-08-2009 04:42 PM

Embarrassing article. It's nothing more than self-indulgent whining.

RealSNR 03-08-2009 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jAZ (Post 5566343)
There is a difference, but we are getting a lot of criticism, not questioning around here.

Questioning is "I have no idea what he's doing, but it's not fair to judge yet because he's just getting started and he's got a great record".

Criticism is any form of "Pioli = Carl Peterson" at this point. Whether it's masked as "Cassel = Bono" or "our New Carl Peterson" or "it is the same old song" or whatever.

And criticism at this point is un-fugging-reasonable.

I don't know your intentions,

This.

Like I said before, we haven't seen this team even take a snap of offseason practice. No way you can make judgments on the type of team that will be fielded during Pioli's tenure here based on one trade and the re-signing of a couple cheap players from last year.

Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan 03-08-2009 04:48 PM

Questioning a GM of a 2-14 team and wondering what he's doing to improve it = fine

Whining and coming across as a self-indulgent 4 year old girl = Embarrassing

You can ask any question in the world. Unless you have subpoena power, no one has to answer you or go into any depth if they do.

Get used to it.

Hammock Parties 03-08-2009 04:50 PM

Awesome. In so many ways.

Sam Hall 03-08-2009 04:52 PM

I can't believe I agree with Whitlock. Yes, I'm a sports writer. People can rip the media all they want, but those same people enjoy reading the stories. The KC media is trying to fulfill your daily Chiefs fix. I don't like some of the people on ESPN, but the vast majority of sports writers do a good job.


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