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OnTheWarpath15 03-10-2009 09:36 AM

Two elite receivers?

C'mon, Mayock. That's ridiculous.

I'm a bigger fan of Sanchez than Stafford, but to say he played with elite WR's is ridiculous. Massaquoi is a 3rd/4th round pick and AJ Green was a freaking freshman, FFS. Nevermind the makeshift OL filled with first year starters.

Hardly elite.

SenselessChiefsFan 03-10-2009 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Faithful (Post 5569847)
What do you call the OLB on the strong side in a 3-4? It is the ILB on the strong side that I feel would be the big hole.

Typically, OLB's in the 3-4 are not called SAM or Will. Some teams don't even call their 4-3 OLB's Sam or WIll. Traditional Sam or Will linebackers actually flip sides when the formation shifts, making them true SAM or WILL linebackers.

However, many teams leave their OLB's on the same side most of the game, making them LOLB, or ROLB. Similar to RDE and LDE.

While a 3-4 could technically rotate the OLB's depending on the formation and name them SAM and WILL and be 'correct'... they would not be true to the traditional sense of the description.

I think Hali and Vrabel will play OLB. I think Johnston has a good chance to be a third down pass rushing OLB. And, I think Curry and DJ would play ILB.

SenselessChiefsFan 03-10-2009 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5569851)
Two elite receivers?

C'mon, Mayock. That's ridiculous.

I'm a bigger fan of Sanchez than Stafford, but to say he played with elite WR's is ridiculous. Massaquoi is a 3rd/4th round pick and AJ Green was a freaking freshman, FFS. Nevermind the makeshift OL filled with first year starters.

Hardly elite.

Well, to be fair, about seven percent of all college football players are drafted. So, a player that will be drafted is considered to be an 'elite' college football player, even if they are not going to be an elite NFL prospect.

I think the Offensive line and the defense were the biggest obstacles that he had to overcome.

I think Stafford is the class of the draft at QB.

Chief Faithful 03-10-2009 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5569864)
Typically, OLB's in the 3-4 are not called SAM or Will. Some teams don't even call their 4-3 OLB's Sam or WIll. Traditional Sam or Will linebackers actually flip sides when the formation shifts, making them true SAM or WILL linebackers.

However, many teams leave their OLB's on the same side most of the game, making them LOLB, or ROLB. Similar to RDE and LDE.

While a 3-4 could technically rotate the OLB's depending on the formation and name them SAM and WILL and be 'correct'... they would not be true to the traditional sense of the description.

I think Hali and Vrabel will play OLB. I think Johnston has a good chance to be a third down pass rushing OLB. And, I think Curry and DJ would play ILB.

Do you think Hali could really fill that role? If he could play ROLB then that fills a big hole. DJ and Curry would make a solid core inside.

Coogs 03-10-2009 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 5569771)
You gonna pay them both as well? That No 3 pick is quite expensive, and that franchise number is quite expensive...

Sure, we have the cap space... and we have to spend most of it as well. If Cassel isn't panning out in year 1 as a Chief, then Stafford or Sanchez may be ready to step in.

Chief Roundup 03-10-2009 10:07 AM

Just don't see spending a 1st and a 2cd round picks on QB.
I think it would be stupid to do that with as many holes as we have.
Not to mention why even make the trade if you were even wanting or interested in Sanchez and or Stafford.

SenselessChiefsFan 03-10-2009 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Faithful (Post 5569884)
Do you think Hali could really fill that role? If he could play ROLB then that fills a big whole. DJ and Curry would make a solid core inside.

I do, but admittedly, I am in the minority on this forum. Even if not, I don't think Curry fits at OLB in a 3-4. Not saying he couldn't play it, but I don't think that is his best fit in this defense.

Coogs 03-10-2009 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 5569943)
Just don't see spending a 1st and a 2cd round picks on QB.
I think it would be stupid to do that with as many holes as we have.

If we can't trade down, and have to reach for a player just for taking a spot where we have a need, then that would be just as stupid, if not more stupid IMO. Look at the Chargers. They had Brees and selected Rivers. They probably could have went a different route and filled a bigger need at the time, but in the long run it has worked out fine for them.


And I am still not saying this is what we should do, but I think we should keep the option open if the Lions and Rams grab the players most coveted by the Chiefs before our pick... and a trade down fails to materialize on draft day.

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-10-2009 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 5569743)
If the Lions do pass on Stafford and Sanchez, I would not be totally opposed to drafting one of those two at #3 even though we spent our 2nd rounder on a QB. Especially if we are not able to trade down. I would much rather hedge our bet on the QB spot, and make sure we have the right guy for the job for the next decade or so, than to have the opportunity to do so and wind up finding out we missed out be picking the wrong guy (Cassel).

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5569773)
What franchise number? You cant be serious about paying Cassell franchise QB type money? The dude is nothing more than a stop gap QB. No way he should be paid anywhere near the top 10....

Average at best, but if you have a chance to develop and draft a franchise QB, you better take that opportunity and get your QB...

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 5569890)
Sure, we have the cap space... and we have to spend most of it as well. If Cassel isn't panning out in year 1 as a Chief, then Stafford or Sanchez may be ready to step in.

Oooh! The resistance grows! :LOL:

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5569825)
Any fan can only watch so much college football, and we only see the network TV footage.

These analysts get to watch coaches tapes, talk to the coaches about these kids, and break it down as their career.

Not a single one of us on here is that adept at the draft.

And, from reading Mecca, yeah, he knows the basics, but he is by no means an expert on anything other than rationalizing the selection of a QB at the top of the draft.

And yet, you know enough to proclaim everyone else's selection(s) moot in the face of such "genius" as Mayock?
Please.

Chief Roundup 03-10-2009 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 5569960)
Look at the Chargers. They had Brees and selected Rivers.

Yeah they HAD Brees from another Draft. We are talking about spending our 1st and 2cd round picks on one position in one draft. Those are our 2 best oppurtunities to get 2 long term starters for this football team.

Chiefnj2 03-10-2009 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 5569960)
Look at the Chargers. They had Brees and selected Rivers. They probably could have went a different route and filled a bigger need at the time, but in the long run it has worked out fine for them.

.

Didn't the Chargers do that because AJ Smith is an egomaniac who wanted his own QB? Pioli has his guy.

Coogs 03-10-2009 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 5570008)
Yeah they HAD Brees from another Draft. We are talking about spending our 1st and 2cd round picks on one position in one draft. Those are our 2 best oppurtunities to get 2 long term starters for this football team.

Sure. I knew it was from two different drafts. But it doesn't really matter.

And again, I am not saying this is what we should do. But we shouldn't just write it off IMO either if that is the best option at our #3 pick instead of reaching for a #10 type talent that fills a need.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-10-2009 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 5570008)
Yeah they HAD Brees from another Draft. We are talking about spending our 1st and 2cd round picks on one position in one draft. Those are our 2 best oppurtunities to get 2 long term starters for this football team.

Is the 2009 Draft the last draft of all time?

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-10-2009 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan (Post 5569984)
Oooh! The resistance grows! :LOL:

This is how Germ Warfare germinated, DCS.

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-10-2009 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5570042)
This is how Germ Warfare germinated, DCS.

Then germinate-on! :thumb:


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