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Mile High Mania 06-25-2009 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 5863365)
"Look at Jake Plummer's supporting cast and what he was able to do with zero talent around him on offense. He'll be a REALLY good QB with Shanahan calling complicated, explosive plays, where he can roll out, scramble, and use that incredible arm of his."

Do you guys plan on playing the Chiefs' 2002 defense every game? That's the only way Orton has any success at all in his first year as Broncos QB, I'm afraid.
ROFL Denver likely won't win 6 games this year... would have had issues doing that with Cutler. The schedule is amazing. You guys focus too much on Orton, he's not the focal point and if they lose, he likely won't be the reason.

Just Passin' By 06-25-2009 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 5863365)
"Look at Jake Plummer's supporting cast and what he was able to do with zero talent around him on offense. He'll be a REALLY good QB with Shanahan calling complicated, explosive plays, where he can roll out, scramble, and use that incredible arm of his."

Do you guys plan on playing the Chiefs' 2002 defense every game? That's the only way Orton has any success at all in his first year as Broncos QB, I'm afraid.
Jake Plummer won in Shanahan's system. Cutler didn't.

wasi 06-25-2009 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 5863362)
Totally agree on the defense aspect... however, I don't see the Denver offense being totally dependent upon Orton. There's a reason they drafted Moreno and piled up guys like Jordan and Buckhalter in the offseason. It's not going to be pass happy crazy like it was in 2008.

Will Orton's role be increased compared to the caretaker role he played in Chicago? Most certainly.

Will Denver's defense put them in situations where they will have to abandon the run and play catch-up? Oh yeah... the only thing that I can say is that (with Marshall) and the other weapons, he has a better chance at being successful in that role compared to anything he had in Chicago when those situations came up.
It'll definitely be an interesting thing to watch if he can pull it off.

Mile High Mania 06-25-2009 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5863375)
Jake Plummer won in Shanahan's system. Cutler didn't.
Yeah and for whatever reasons (I can't explain it), look at the VAST drop off in defense in those years. Look at their statistical rankings with both, it's crazy. Also, the ground game never really suffered when Plummer was there... not so much with Cutler, especially last year.

RealSNR 06-25-2009 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5863375)
Jake Plummer won in Shanahan's system. Cutler didn't.
Why did Shanahan get rid of him halfway through the season?

Mile High Mania 06-25-2009 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 5863389)
Why did Shanahan get rid of him halfway through the season?
Well, they were 7-4 and my guess is that after trading up for Cutler and watching Plummer... he said "we're still in the hunt, let's make the move".

Are you wanting me to say that KC ushered in the Cutler era b/c Jake's last start was a loss at KC? If so... ok.

That was their second loss in a row and 3 TDs and 5 INTs in the last 3 starts... going 1-2. Jake had only thrown for more than 250 yards in 1 game that season through 11...

I dunno.

BigMeatballDave 06-25-2009 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5863375)
Jake Plummer won in Shanahan's system. Cutler didn't.
My God, you are reeruned...

chiefzilla1501 06-25-2009 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 5863256)
Tom Brady is overrated. He is a good QB, but he's not head and shoulders above Manning, Rivers, Big Ben, Drew Brees, or Kurt Warner.
You're an idiot.

A healthy Brady is neck-and-neck with Peyton and head-and-shoulders above everyone else after that.

Just Passin' By 06-25-2009 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 5863389)
Why did Shanahan get rid of him halfway through the season?
Shanahan would probably say that Plummer didn't play well enough, or that Cutler beat Plummer out. I'd say that Shanahan had his golden boy and saw what he wanted to see, so he pulled the trigger too early.

Plummer was not going to be an elite QB and Cutler had/has the tools. Coaches get caught up in that all the time, the same as the fans do.

BigMeatballDave 06-25-2009 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 5863256)
Tom Brady is overrated.
ROFL

L.A. Chieffan 06-25-2009 02:47 PM
brutal. please ban pos

Just Passin' By 06-25-2009 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave (Post 5863398)
My God, you are reeruned...
Really? Well, according to Pro-Football-Reference.com, Plummer was 39-15 as the starter in Denver. Cutler was 17-20. That would mean.....

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Jake Plummer won in Shanahan's system. Cutler didn't.
Assuming, of course, that you understood that a record above .500 was "winning" and .500 or below was not.

Frazod 06-25-2009 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5863410)
Really? Well, according to Pro-Football-Reference.com, Plummer was 39-15 as the starter in Denver. Cutler was 17-20. That would mean.....



Assuming, of course, that you understood that a record above .500 was "winning" and .500 or below was not.
I assume you blame Trent Green for our defensive failures in 2003 as well.

SBK 06-25-2009 02:51 PM
Threads like these make it so hard to leave....

Just Passin' By 06-25-2009 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 5863411)
I assume you blame Trent Green for our defensive failures in 2003 as well.
I didn't credit anyone. I made a simple point in response to the poster. It would be a mental exercise to try to assess why it spiraled down for the Broncos. However, we've seen repeatedly that a change in quarterback can lead to a defense/team playing better or worse. In New England, the Patriots were 0-2 before Bledsoe went down, and finished the season on an 11-3 run plus the playoffs and Super Bowl win with a QB change. Denver started the split season at 7-4 with Plummer under center, and finished 2-3 behind Cutler. The "why" matters, but it's just guesswork.


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