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Bane 08-27-2009 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pooch (Post 6006718)
All I keep hearing about is what draft picks can we get for him. Who cares, we draft like crap anyways!! Look at how long it has been since we drafted a pro bowler. Everyone acts like a draft pick is a sure thing. I am tired of getting all hyped up for the draft and then get nothing out of it. Thigpen earned a spot, maybe a chance to become better maybe not. But what does it hurt to keep him.

Exactly:clap: We haven't had personnel who knew how to draft in the past 10 years or so.

Lex Luthors 08-27-2009 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6006713)
Do you know who this man is?

Yes. Your point is ... ?

Hammock Parties 08-27-2009 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by KCDC (Post 6006728)
Looks like Gus Ferrotte. Had a great year for the Redskins, a fan favorite too. Started for Denver even. Yeah, he's not much, but

http://images.encyclopediadramatica....2/Facepalm.jpg

Bane 08-27-2009 03:12 PM

We can have 10 first round picks and draft a bunch of FUGGN bums then what???Yeah lets draft some more RB's like we did LJ to scare Priest into showing up for camp.Nice work!!!

JD10367 08-27-2009 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bane_58 (Post 6006653)
If your boy Cassel plays well then fine,you guys can all party and praise the lord and all that other shit.Untill then he hasn't done anything for the Chiefs in my mind and he's just another Qb like Thigpen trying to find a job.
My question is what if he does throw 30 TD's and for 4,000 yards and we still only win 4-5 games,was that 60 million spent in the right area of need?

I started to respond by typing, "This is a QB-driven league. You can't win a Super Bowl without a good quarterback."

Then I thought...

SB 34: Rams with Kurt Warner beat Titans with Steve McNair.
SB 35: Ravens with Trent Dilfer beat Giants with Kerry Collins.
SB 37: Bucs with Brad Johnson beat Raiders with Rich Gannon.
SB 42: Giants with Eli Manning beat Patriots with Tom Brady.

In addition, the Colts only finally won when they had a defense and running game. The Steelers are always defensively-driven. And all three of the Pats' SB wins were close and defensive and won by a FG.

But, in general, it's easier to succeed when you build a team around a quarterback. If you have a great defensive mind, maybe you can work it the other way, but there's a reason why defensive teams are few and far-between. And you can argue that the defensive-minded Ravens only won once, almost ten years ago, and have been wasting their defenses since then due to a lack of offensive ability. The Steelers have won twice, but last season is hard to judge since they beat an Arizona team with a weak record that caught fire in the playoffs (not to mention Brady was MIA last season).

Also, it's not like Cassell just got handed a Julius Peppers-type contract that will hamstring the Chiefs. He didn't get Eli Manning or Philip Rivers money. The Chiefs can still build a solid team even with Cassel's salary.

I'm not sure what the option would be, anyway. If they didn't sign Cassel, and won 4 games with Thigpen, I'm pretty sure most Chiefs fans would go ballistic. "Why didn't we get a real quarterback?!?" If Cassel plays great and they only win 4 or 5, I think most fans will say, "Wow, imagine if they built a team around him, they might've won the division!" It's sort of a no-win scenario.

KCDC 08-27-2009 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pooch (Post 6006718)
All I keep hearing about is what draft picks can we get for him. Who cares, we draft like crap anyways!! Look at how long it has been since we drafted a pro bowler. Everyone acts like a draft pick is a sure thing. I am tired of getting all hyped up for the draft and then get nothing out of it. Thigpen earned a spot, maybe a chance to become better maybe not. But what does it hurt to keep him.

Agreed. Let's get a 5th rounder so we can pick another over-hyped MU player and then flush them. Surrender known value for an 80% chance of a bust. Better to keep him.

No one is offering a 5th rounder for Croyle, but CP posters thinks he's the real keeper.

LaChapelle 08-27-2009 03:16 PM

If someone offered a 5th rounder for Croyle. I think it's safe to say it would not spawn muliple 100 post threads. Hurrah!, would about cover it.

Bane 08-27-2009 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 6006741)
I started to respond by typing, "This is a QB-driven league. You can't win a Super Bowl without a good quarterback."

Then I thought...

SB 34: Rams with Kurt Warner beat Titans with Steve McNair.
SB 35: Ravens with Trent Dilfer beat Giants with Kerry Collins.
SB 37: Bucs with Brad Johnson beat Raiders with Rich Gannon.
SB 42: Giants with Eli Manning beat Patriots with Tom Brady.

In addition, the Colts only finally won when they had a defense and running game. The Steelers are always defensively-driven. And all three of the Pats' SB wins were close and defensive and won by a FG.

But, in general, it's easier to succeed when you build a team around a quarterback. If you have a great defensive mind, maybe you can work it the other way, but there's a reason why defensive teams are few and far-between. And you can argue that the defensive-minded Ravens only won once, almost ten years ago, and have been wasting their defenses since then due to a lack of offensive ability. The Steelers have won twice, but last season is hard to judge since they beat an Arizona team with a weak record that caught fire in the playoffs (not to mention Brady was MIA last season).

Also, it's not like Cassell just got handed a Julius Peppers-type contract that will hamstring the Chiefs. He didn't get Eli Manning or Philip Rivers money. The Chiefs can still build a solid team even with Cassel's salary.

I'm not sure what the option would be, anyway. If they didn't sign Cassel, and won 4 games with Thigpen, I'm pretty sure most Chiefs fans would go ballistic. "Why didn't we get a real quarterback?!?" If Cassel plays great and they only win 4 or 5, I think most fans will say, "Wow, imagine if they built a team around him, they might've won the division!" It's sort of a no-win scenario.

I agree we must have a real QB,and Cassel is young enough to be coached into a good payer,but time and time again we see players have 1 good year and teams piss themselves to go after them.I will have to see it to believe that he was the right choice.

Bane 08-27-2009 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KCDC (Post 6006742)
Agreed. Let's get a 5th rounder so we can pick another over-hyped MU player and then flush them. Surrender known value for an 80% chance of a bust. Better to keep him.

No one is offering a 5th rounder for Croyle, but CP posters thinks he's the real keeper.

Based on 1 ok performance in a pre season game.ROFL

Halfcan 08-27-2009 03:19 PM

trade thiggy for anything higher than a 3rd

sedated 08-27-2009 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bane_58 (Post 6006740)
We can have 10 first round picks and draft a bunch of FUGGN bums then what???Yeah lets draft some more RB's like we did LJ to scare Priest into showing up for camp.Nice work!!!

do you realize we have a whole new front office? or are you under the impression that the calendar still says 2006?

Bane 08-27-2009 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated (Post 6006774)
do you realize we have a whole new front office? or are you under the impression that the calendar still says 2006?

No I know we did better in this draft,but what can you tell about all those draft pics so far? Its too early to tell.

Just Passin' By 08-27-2009 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KCDC (Post 6006692)
Give Thigpen a break. I mean really.

All of you are quick to point to stats which prove your point, but when it comes to disliking an "inaccurate" QB, you are quick to cry that stats lie. If you throw for 2600 yards in 11 games, you can't be too inaccurate. Yeah TG made some great catches in that span, but gimme a break.

You guys sound like Herm. If you run the spread and could go to the playoffs, or play the convential dropback passing scheme and go 7-9, most of you would vote for the latter.

Oh, we won't be able to look Bronco fans in the eye if we win with aa "scheme" offense. Better to never go to the SB than be accused of "gimmickry." There can be no greater insult to a fan than say you won a game because of a trick play or a gimmick. Yeah, it's better to lose. Let's keep Brokie Croyle and flush TT. You guys are right. If Cassel goes down, we will suck, but we will hold our heads high, rather than have to make excuses for winning. Good idea.

Please tell me that you're kidding with this. Of the 32 qualifying quarterbacks, only Russel and Anderson were less accurate than Thigpen in terms of completion percentage. Of the 32 qualifying quarterbacks, only Anderson and Fitzpatrick threw for fewer YPA. Of the 32 qualifying quarterbacks, Thigpen was ahead of only Anderson, Fitzpatrick, Bulger, Orlovsky and Frerotte in passer rating.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...0&d-447263-p=1

Halfcan 08-27-2009 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated (Post 6006774)
do you realize we have a whole new front office? or are you under the impression that the calendar still says 2006?

:D exactly

LaChapelle 08-27-2009 03:22 PM

I don't believe Croyle is safe, at all. If someone comes available Pioli likes, hes gone.


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