Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6016098)

McDaniels is a QB maker?

Gut has had more opportunity to get better? Really? What was all of last season for Thigpen?

At this very moment, Thigpen couldn't carry Gut's jock, and that's not exactly praise for the latter.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6016111)

Bellichick helped coach up Brady. McDaniels helped coach up Cassel. Maybe not QB makers, but nobody doubts that the two know how to groom quarterbacks.

Guiterrez has experience in a pro offense and he has had access to far superior coaching. Thigpen has experience in the spread and he was coached by the worst QBs coach in the league. Are you really going to dispute that Thigpen wasn't horribly coached?

At this very moment, Haley, a guy who seems to know a bit about quarterbacks, has had Thigpen come in the game sooner than Guiterrez. Are you seriously going to suggest that Guiterrez is schooling Thigpen right now? Like I said, even though Thigpen is a much rawer QB than Guiterrez, it says a lot that he's still higher on the depth chart. And no, a few good passes against the lowest-string defenses is not going to change my mind.

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6016114)

They were giving Thigpen a chance to show some trade value, that's all. He's done here.

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 6015877)

I dont get it either? WTF??

Its that ole Boomer Grigsby Syndrome again with KC fan:



"Sure, hes not the most talented guy, but hes white, likeable, and gritty" "hes just like one of us!"

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6016120)

No argument that the Chiefs coaching staff was a joke, on the whole, but Gailey is respected for his ability with QBs, so in that respect it's not *quite* as dire as you suggest.

Just checking, how did Gut get here? Magic? Or did Pioli and Haley bring him in?

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6016716)

I'm sure Pioli brought him in just for competition. He did the same thing with Redd, even though it's become clear that he was never really anything more than training camp fodder. As for Gailey, actually, QBs are not particularly his strong suit. He's dealt with Slash, a veteran Aikman, and Jay Fiedler. Not exactly a glowing track record. And besides, most of Gailey's attention was likely toward Croyle, if anybody. He also probably didn't have stellar coaching in college. I know it's just an opinion, but I just think that Thigpen has a lot more potential than Guiterrez.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6016738)

Couple of things:

You give McDaniels credit for Cassel, but experience with Aikman means little for Gailey? Ok...

And that attention to Croyle lasted for how long? 10 seconds into game 1 and 7 into Croyle's triumphant return.

Let's agree to disagree. I think Thigpen has an equal amount of heart and LOFT (lack of ****ing talent). You (for some unknown and completely dumb ****ing reason ;)) believe there is something there.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6016838)

That's actually a good first point. But regardless, the point to be made is that Thigpen was trained mostly by Dick Curl, whereas Guiterrez was trained mostly by a Bellichick coach. That in itself should speak to how well these guys were trained.

I'm just saying that Matt Guiterrez came to the NFL "NFL ready." He played in a pro offense in college and got good training from good coaches. It should raise a bunch of red flags when an NFL-ready quarterback is cut by some of the best personnel guys in the NFL. Especially considering that they have a starting QB who is coming back from major surgery and when the two guys who won the job over him were Andrew Walter and O'Connell (who was just cut). The point being, if he's NFL ready, then what is his upside if he hasn't even flashed any potential by now? And isn't it concerning that the Patriots cut him so early despite their QB situation?

The Patriots had no qualms about keeping Cassel for many years. They cut the cord on Guiterrez after only two years. It's not as much a question of whether Thigpen is good enough as much as it is whether Guiterrez is good enough.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6016852)

Ok. let me see if I understand this.

A QB who played his college ball at Idaho State came to the NFL, NFL ready?

Is that what you're trying to sell?

Oh Jesus.

LMAO

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6016909)

Guiterrez? He came from Michigan before Idaho State. And that was a pro style offense.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6016989)

So, I didn't understand.

He went to Michigan as a freshman backup, was slated to start as a soph before gitting hurt, losing out on on the starter role and transferring to Idaho State?

So a QB that was a backup for one season in a pro style offense at Michigan before transferring to Idaho State was NFL ready?

Is that what you are trying to tell us?

Really?

LMAO