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raybec 4 10-05-2009 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 6142164)
I had a minor meltdown, check that, I MELTED THE **** DOWN last night when I heard the Donko ****s beat the Cowgirls. IIRC, I was talking to Reerun, but seriously. Their defense was on par with ours last year, they spend much fewer picks than we do, and they're the 4th best Defense currently? ****ing how? Do they even have a nose tackle? WTF?

The only thing I can think of is that Dumerville provides enough of a passrush to mask some of their holes (I recognize they played Cleveland, which helps them out).

Offensively, I thought they would be average. A good OL and WR corps with a non-reeruned QB will get you average.

I'm surprised as hell about their D though. I just don't ****ing get it.
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Mike Nolan runs one hell of a D. Clancy Pederast does not.

Halfcan 10-05-2009 03:20 PM
Sorry but Haley has been the worst coach I have ever seen-if he is next year I would be surprised.

Chiefnj2 10-05-2009 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 6142172)
Mike Nolan runs one hell of a D. Clancy Pederast does not.
Not while he was in San Fran.

DaneMcCloud 10-05-2009 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 6142164)
I'm surprised as hell about their D though. I just don't ****ing get it.
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I think there's no doubt that Dumerville is a catalyst but Mike Nolan has been an excellent defensive coordinator for years and years. He kinda reminds me of Pete Carroll in that he's an excellent coordinator that would excel as a college head coach.

But Denver's moves have been head and shoulders above the Chiefs and that alone sickens me beyond belief. I truly and honestly believe that it begins and ends with ownership.

I can tell you one thing's for sure: If I'm Clark Hunt and my head coach says "I'm going to hire Clancy Pendergast as my DC", I say "The ****ing bloody hell your are! Find someone else!"

dirk digler 10-05-2009 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 6142164)

I'm surprised as hell about their D though. I just don't ****ing get it.
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It is really really simple, they have Mike Nolan as their DC who knows how to coach defense. That is the downside of waiting to pick a head coach because all the good assistants are gone.

Rausch 10-05-2009 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6142060)
Exactly. That is a huge difference.
I'd love to see a comparison between DV/Haley, year 1.

I'd argue both coaches came in with little to work with.

Not that I'm a fan of Haley. In fact I'd spank to the news he was canned...

DaneMcCloud 10-05-2009 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6142175)
Not while he was in San Fran.
He wasn't the d-coordinator but he did help to provide the current 49ers with a shit-ton of defensive talent.

They're becoming a damn good football team.

carlos3652 10-05-2009 03:24 PM
OTW - Great Analysis...

That being said, has it been taken into account that we played vs 1 playoff team last year, and this year we have played 3 in the first quarter, and 2 on the road....

So i feel that even though we might be the same or worse as last year AT THIS POINT AND TIME i feel that after 4 Games we are better....

Statistically, I want to go down on the record stating that games 5-8 will be MUCH better than 2008.

OTW - again good analysis on your part... not taking anyway way from you on this... just wanted to state the schedule difference...

Rausch 10-05-2009 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 6142172)
Mike Nolan runs one hell of a D. Clancy Pederast does not.
I'm also getting sick of the "our offense left our defense on the field all day" argument.

Bullshit.

Haley preached on and on about how in shape this team was/would be. And you can look at any number of teams that had $3itty offenses and great (not just good, but GREAT) defenses. The Bucs, Bears, Steelers, Ravens, 90's Chiefs most of the time, Dolphins, etc.

Their offenses wouldn't show up entire games and yet the D would make plays to WIN games at the end...

dirk digler 10-05-2009 03:26 PM
One thing to keep in mind about Pioli and that was in 2000 the Pats were 5-11 and for a portion of the season didn't even have a full 53 man roster because Pioli\Belichick didn't like anybody that they could bring in or who they had on their practice squad.

Then the following year they started out 0-2 and everybody was thinking Belichick was going to be fired.

The rest is history. Now I am not saying that is going to happen here but the first year is basically a bloodletting.

raybec 4 10-05-2009 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 6142191)
I'm also getting sick of the "our offense left our defense on the field all day" argument.

Bullshit.

Haley preached on and on about how in shape this team was/would be. And you can look at any number of teams that had $3itty offenses and great (not just good, but GREAT) defenses. The Bucs, Bears, Steelers, Ravens, 90's Chiefs most of the time, Dolphins, etc.

Their offenses wouldn't show up entire games and yet the D would make plays to WIN games at the end...
Poor talent + poor decision making= Bad defense

Not too much time on the field.

morphius 10-05-2009 03:28 PM
I'm enjoying this year a lot more than last, at least we have pretended to be competitive. Maybe we should look at this after next week, 'cause last year week 5 was the 34-0 slaughter at the hands of the Panthers. Of course this years having 1/3 of our first downs taken away by penalties hasn't helped (yes, I pulled the 1/3 out of my ass).

Buehler445 10-05-2009 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6142178)
I think there's no doubt that Dumerville is a catalyst but Mike Nolan has been an excellent defensive coordinator for years and years. He kinda reminds me of Pete Carroll in that he's an excellent coordinator that would excel as a college head coach.

But Denver's moves have been head and shoulders above the Chiefs and that alone sickens me beyond belief. I truly and honestly believe that it begins and ends with ownership.

I can tell you one thing's for sure: If I'm Clark Hunt and my head coach says "I'm going to hire Clancy Pendergast as my DC", I say "The ****ing bloody hell your are! Find someone else!"
I hate Pendergast too. That was definitely a :spock: hiring.

I'm with you on some of the moves they made, but some of them should have been crippling. Cutler, trading this year's first and a second for a short CB, doing very little to help their D...on paper this should be an average offensive team and a shitbox defensive team.
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Just Passin' By 10-05-2009 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 6142164)
I'm surprised as hell about their D though. I just don't ****ing get it.
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Major overhaul, overlooked by a lot of people:

Dawkins
Hill
Goodman
Davis
McBean
Fields

That's 6 of 11 defensive starters that weren't on the team last season, and that's before you start looking at position changes, sub-package players, or backups.

Playing Cleveland and Oakland doesn't hurt, either.

Tiger's Fan 10-05-2009 03:31 PM
Fire em all/Sanchez....thread.

PS: Rome wasn't built in a day because those mother ****ers were lazy.


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