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DaWolf 10-12-2009 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 6165350)
Cassel is definitely holding on to the ball too long in some situations.
No question about that.

To win he'll need to take more chances, but he will also need this Offensive Line to give him time to go through his reads.

He's not turning the ball over so I suppose all isn't lost.

I have a feeling that after the Oakland game, he was basically told not to turn the ball over, which is leading to a lot of the hesitation. When a coach is constantly pounding into your head that turnovers are unacceptable, you are not going to be taking chances, especially with this O.

The reason Trent Green had so many INTs his first year here was that Vermeil was installing a super aggressive passing offense, which preaches throwing downfield and taking chances. They didn't stray too far from that even though the first year they didn't have the talent they needed. Right now you've got to question how these guys are being coached...

B_Ambuehl 10-12-2009 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6164735)
Our WR's ARE getting open. Cassel IS holding the ball too long. I lost count at how many times Bowe wasn't the 1st or second read.

There were a few plays that come to mind that Clay and I discussed. One was a completion to Ryan, where he ran 10-15 yards up the seam, then hitched, and Cassel hit him. Cassel's eyes never left Ryan, and I asked where the **** he would have gone with the ball had Ryan not been open. You can't lock onto one ****ing guy in this league.

Another, where Bowe ran a 10 yard out, was wide open, and Cassel threw the ball away.

Guys WERE open yesterday, but Cassel has to realize that guys aren't going to be WIDE ****ING OPEN like they were in NE. If the WR has a step, get the ****ing ball in there.



Exactly what I said back when we signed him:

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chiefzilla1501 10-12-2009 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6164889)
This, and some of us have been saying it all year.

Yes, there is pressure sometimes.

But very honestly, the OL has given him more time that people here are giving credit for, only to see Cassel get a case of happy feet and panic.

He's falling victim to as much "phantom" pressure as he is real pressure.

There is pressure a lot. And when there isn't pressure, there is no pocket and no passing window.

Between Waters, Niswanger, or Goff, one of those guys either misses a block or gets immediately pushed back on almost every single play. And it's usually Goff.

People assume that just because a QB has time, he's not being affected by the pass rush. That's just not true.

chiefzilla1501 10-12-2009 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6165103)
Excellent analysis, OTWP58!

The I noticed immediately was that when Smith replaced Albert and Alleman replaced Goof, the running lanes opened up, Cassel appeared more confident and the offense put together a good drive. Why Goof returned to the game was beyond me.

The bottom line for me is that Alleman is far superior to Goof and that the Chiefs need to get Wade Smith on the field, whether it's at center or right tackle.

He's far too athletic to be sitting on the bench.

100% correct. It wasn't just confidence. It was fundamentals too. When Cassel actually had a window to look through, you could see him going through his progressions like a real QB. Few top-tier QBs have even a fraction of the protection issues he has to deal with.

If Haley doesn't bench Goff after this game, then somebody needs to sit him the **** down.

Micjones 10-12-2009 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 6165798)
I have a feeling that after the Oakland game, he was basically told not to turn the ball over, which is leading to a lot of the hesitation. When a coach is constantly pounding into your head that turnovers are unacceptable, you are not going to be taking chances, especially with this O.

The reason Trent Green had so many INTs his first year here was that Vermeil was installing a super aggressive passing offense, which preaches throwing downfield and taking chances. They didn't stray too far from that even though the first year they didn't have the talent they needed. Right now you've got to question how these guys are being coached...

Excellent point. Haley has stressed the importance of not turning the ball over since the off-season program began. I'm sure if he had his choice he'd rather Cassel go down than get picked off.

I think the playcalls substantiate that claim.

baitism 10-12-2009 05:46 PM

I think some of you are being a little short-sighted. Besides the fact that this team has won 2 out of their last 30 games, our economy has completely shit the bed. I am sure there are plenty of people who used to have season tickets (myself included) that just cannot afford them right now. I would never put the Chiefs before my family.

I would say it is about 50/50 Chiefs sucking and the economy that is causing reduced season ticket numbers.

Buehler445 10-12-2009 06:22 PM

Good Analysis OTW. I'm not as low on Cassel as you are. The line blows. It really does. Just badly. People were saying Manning's line is bad and he still makes plays, but the mother****ers we have don't even get out of their stances before they're beat. Did Dallas send anymore than 4 all day? And they still hit Cassel every play.

I still think Barry Richardson should be starting. Goff should retire and we should activate Ndukwe for RG. I was surprised that Wade Smith wasn't epic fail at LT. Very surprised.

milkman 10-12-2009 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 6166498)
Good Analysis OTW. I'm not as low on Cassel as you are. The line blows. It really does. Just badly. People were saying Manning's line is bad and he still makes plays, but the mother****ers we have don't even get out of their stances before they're beat. Did Dallas send anymore than 4 all day? And they still hit Cassel every play.

I still think Barry Richardson should be starting. Goff should retire and we should activate Ndukwe for RG. I was surprised that Wade Smith wasn't epic fail at LT. Very surprised.

We saw the O-Line improve markedly when Allenman replaced Goff in the game.

It was no surprise that the line play reverted to the same crap as soon as Goff re-entered the game.

MahiMike 10-12-2009 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief (Post 6164744)
A receiver may be wide open, but the QB has to be able to see it to get the ball there.

Our OL is S H I T. They not only do not open passing lanes (kinda important for a QB), but they also don't hold a block for, well, they don't hold blocks. The line is a sieve... a rusted, cracked, shot up with a figging 12-guage sieve that allows defenders to pour through.

While Cassel and the receivers certainly deserves some of the blame, remember that the OL is just as important. Until we stabilize that area, it doesn't matter who we have at QB and receiver.

Exactly. The poor guy was hit over 20 times! TWENTY! Any QB would be gun shy.

I do think the defense played GREAT in the 1st half. Those turnovers don't just happen. Also, #84 couldn't catch a cold. Once they figured out Miles could catch, they just kept throwing to him.

And, what happened to my fantasy TE, Witten? I figured him for 120 and 2 TDs. But noooo, the Chiefs had to go and cover him, hmmm?

DeezNutz 10-12-2009 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 6166605)
Exactly. The poor guy was hit over 20 times! TWENTY! Any QB would be gun shy.

I do think the defense played GREAT in the 1st half. Those turnovers don't just happen. Also, #84 couldn't catch a cold. Once they figured out Miles could catch, they just kept throwing to him.

And, what happened to my fantasy TE, Witten? I figured him for 120 and 2 TDs. But noooo, the Chiefs had to go and cover him, hmmm?

And Choice averaging 11.5 per pop?

SAUTO 10-12-2009 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6166640)
And Choice averaging 11.5 per pop?

that was the second half

Mecca 10-12-2009 07:01 PM

Choice killed us if they had given it to him instead of Barber that would have been a long ass day.

ChiefsCountry 10-12-2009 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6166668)
Choice killed us if they had given it to him instead of Barber that would have been a long ass day.

Choice is going to tear up next year in Shanny's offense.

whoman69 10-12-2009 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief (Post 6164810)
LJ is running soft too. He does not explode into the line... he hesitates, then goes down to first contact.

Savage runs <i>hard</i>. Watch a couple of each players' runs, and you will see the difference.

LJ has run hard a few times this year, but for the most part, he is playing soft. I think that's why he is getting dogged.

Everyone knows the OL is shit; it is frigging obvious. Even Joe Buck and Aikman saw that.

I have to agree with that. LJ cannot bust through the middle. Several time I saw him pokey up to the line when he thought he couldn't break it and then go down with first contact. He's saving himself for life beyond the Chiefs. I have spoken up for LJ in the past. No more.

TinyEvel 10-12-2009 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6164785)
Boy I tell you, Warpath would NOT shut up about Sanchez during the game. Every other play it was "Oh, Sanchez scores there." Or, "Sanchez would have hit that guy."

Awful! :D

I think he had an earpiece with live feed from Dane McCloud.


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