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Yet another Suh draft thread... (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=220272)

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6366968)

I get what you are saying and all, but remember this: the Lions would have been more foolish to pass on Calvin Johnson just because of their history with first round receivers...THAT is the point.

I said it toward the beginning of the season, he is the best college player I have seen from any position during my lifetime except for Peyton. You CANT pass on a player like him if he is on the board when you are on the clock.

He will be Reggie White. His defense will win Championships. His presence would let our QB sleep better at night because of how much less will be on his shoulders. He would make Tamba a probowler.

WE JUST GAVE UP 286 YARDS RUSHING :cuss: AT HOME :cuss: TO A ****ING 3RD STRING RB :cuss: FROM A 2 WIN TEAM:cuss:! We NEED a SUH!

I also say it is foolish/misinformed to say that we would have to change to a 4-3 to draft him. We would have to tweak the scheme to a gap penetrating one where the nose is used similarly to how Dallas uses theirs to accommodate for Dorseys strengths. THAT IS BASICALLY WHAT DORSEY WAS DRAFTED FOR. He went so high because he could be in the a gap before the olinemen got set up. THATS WHAT HE WOULD BE DOING. This is why I have mentioned Wade Phillips so much in my thoughts about our possibilities for our DC position. His defense keyed by Dorsey and SUH would definitely be CHAMPIONSHIP calibur!

...SUH Dorsey Jackson
Hali... ___ ....___.... ___
Flowers Carr
Morgan...Page

Add a couple more linebackers and THAT defense is SET for some time to come and will consistently get better and grow together for the next 10 years..Fix the oline and receivers with the rest of FA/draft and we could be MUCH improved next year even with SUH going through rookie pains.

Suh could be the rare type of 3-4 end that can average 7-9 sacks per year and shut down the run to his side almost single-handedly.

As some are saying, he transcends the position.

THIS X100000000000000000000

dude, dorsey is NOT a nose tackle. that would completely neutralize his talents.

Suh would do just fine at NT in this base D. Even then, in this league nowadays more than 50% of your snaps come in something other than a base package. He'd fit in perfect as an interior rusher in sub packages. Remember Sean Rogers didn't play nose tackle until he went to cleveland. Jay Ratliff never played nose tackle until Dallas, and he's a load smaller than Suh and nowhere near as powerful.

He'd be fine in this D.

Dallas plays a different style of 3-4.

They are a penetrating, one gap 3-4.

NE guys run a two gap 3-4.

Suh would be great in a place like Dallas, but we'll use him like Vince Wilfork.

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Originally Posted by alanm (Post 6366796)

Dillard is 3rd or 4th rounder. He's also going to make the team that drafts him.

Exactly he'll be a great ILB in the 3-4. We better draft him.

If Suh is there, and the Chiefs don't draft him, I wouldn't be disappointed.

The draft doesn't assure any guarantees imo. Im happy with 3-4 scheme, I just don't think they have the personnel to run it. Although I do think there are plenty of players available in this draft that could help run a 3-4 defense effectively. so its not the end of the world if the Chiefs don't draft Suh. Just gotta find the right guys that could help run your defense. Its here and might as well stick with it rather then changing schemes again.

They went from 4-3 to 3-4 and I dont want to see them go back to 4-3. Let the players learn this scheme rather then change and learn and have to adjust to another scheme. Finding the right guys for a 3-4 and having our current personnel adapt to this scheme is what Id rather see. And that only happens if they stick and carry out their plan.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6367355)

Dallas plays a different style of 3-4.

They are a penetrating, one gap 3-4.

NE guys run a two gap 3-4.

Suh would be great in a place like Dallas, but we'll use him like Vince Wilfork.

This is all true. Very nice. Technically speaking Dallas is more of a gap and a half style but I'll give it to you anyway. ;)

Cool, lets draft 3 DT's in the first round in a row. This is almost similar to the Lions drafting WR in all those drafts.

if i ever have a son im gonna name him: bill or bob ANYTHING but suh.

I've resigned myself to the fact that our 3-4 scheme makes drafting Suh unlikely. I'm on board with Eric Berry or Rolando McClain.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6367355)

Dallas plays a different style of 3-4.

They are a penetrating, one gap 3-4.

NE guys run a two gap 3-4.

Suh would be great in a place like Dallas, but we'll use him like Vince Wilfork.

didn't consider that... Suh, Dorsey, Jackson in a Dallas style 3-4 would work pretty well.. hell of alot invested in the d-line though

..and of course, we don't have the staff to coach the players we have anyway, so it's a moot point.

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6366968)

I also say it is foolish/misinformed to say that we would have to change to a 4-3 to draft him. We would have to tweak the scheme to a gap penetrating one where the nose is used similarly to how Dallas uses theirs to accommodate for Dorseys strengths. THAT IS BASICALLY WHAT DORSEY WAS DRAFTED FOR. He went so high because he could be in the a gap before the olinemen got set up. THATS WHAT HE WOULD BE DOING. This is why I have mentioned Wade Phillips so much in my thoughts about our possibilities for our DC position. His defense keyed by Dorsey and SUH would definitely be CHAMPIONSHIP calibur!

...SUH Dorsey Jackson
Hali... ___ ....___.... ___
Flowers Carr
Morgan...Page

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6367355)

Dallas plays a different style of 3-4.

They are a penetrating, one gap 3-4.

NE guys run a two gap 3-4.

Suh would be great in a place like Dallas, but we'll use him like Vince Wilfork.

too bad it doesnt have a chance huh...

Wait till we draft Terrence Cody.

It'd be an intriguing experiment.

Talk about force-revamping your defense.

I would pray for this scenario to unfold. If Suh is available at our draft position, some team will be willing to trade up to get him from us.

If only Pioli and Haley would have took the advise from CP and stuck with the 4-3........

Suh and Dorsey playing next to each other inside is the stuff that dreams are made of. **** **** ****