My avatar represents nothing more than Haley's own actions. And it's meant to be funny. If Haley didn't want to be associated with such actions, he could have prevented it.

The analogy is ridiculous, comparing a personal relationship to a business.

And your language? I'm not cutting anyone down. It's not personal. I could care less if anyone within the organization is a "good guy." My criticisms of the regime are based on viable, provable evidence.

How did LJ "inevitably expose his true colors"? Was there much doubt about this before? Twitter just made it impossible to carry on the joke of "the right 53." LJ cut himself.

Please, Mr. Pioli ball-washer, tell us about progress.

First number is 2009.


Points per game: 16.7, 18.2

Points against per game: 26.7, 27.5

Total yards per game: 288, 308

Total yards against per game: 380, 393

Passing yards per game: 181, 195

Passing yards against per game: 219, 234

Rushing yards per game: 107, 113

Rushing yards against per game: 161, 158


Progress my ass.

It's a process.

And FWIW, they played an easier schedule this year compared to last year.

.535 > .520

The statistics are damning and paint a very depressing picture.

Amazing that finding the positives is arduous work.

I heard Haley do a Herm quote during the last press conference. How many games were lost by 7 points or less?

I hate hearing that from either one of them, but I clearly feel this team is headed in a better direction than it was a year ago.

And this is the crux of the disagreement.

For the most part, the underlined has to be based on little more than hope because the evidence simply isn't there.

And I haven't seen nearly enough for a gut feeling to sway the far more imposing evidence to the contrary.

Sure, I'll be happy to.

Better play from the LT, and the RT
Better running game
Better work at wideout when they are all together
Better play from the DEs
Better play from some of the linebackers

That's progress. You people who think that having a car with 53 parts, 45+ of which are broken, and upgrading 5-10 of those broken parts while trying to tread water with the rest is going to suddenly make the car run first in NASCAR races are just being ridiculous. I noted early on that the progress might not show up in wins:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...ns#post5808969

The problem with you, and so many of the other complainers, is that you don't think about the overall scope of the problem, and you focus your bitching on things that are contingent upon improvements elsewhere. There was no way that the team was going to be able to fix every problem in 1 or 2 seasons, yet the bitching has been almost non-stop.

Games lost by 7 points or less is a valid thing to talk about. It falls right in line with the message about focus and limiting mistakes that Haley's pushed all year. Dropped passes, picks, big plays allowed by the d - cut down one or two mistakes in every game and it could have been a different season, even with a roster as bad as this one. Hopefully that message gets across eventually.

As valid as it was last year, when we lost 7 games by 7 points or less?

And JPB, that list, starting with the improved play by Albert, which has to be a joke, is...well...

lol, them stats dont mean anything and i will tell you why. We let go alot of the people they didnt want in this organization. They tore down what was originally being built here and started from 0. Herm was already in the process. I actually think he was in year 2 cause he knew in year 2 this team was going to be complete ass.

They went with what Herm's vision was and COMPLETELY scrapped it and went back to the drawing board. With Lesser talent then last year we still won more games. We are probably a little worse then last year as a whole, but like i said, they scrapped whatever it was he was Herm was trying to do.

I would throw in Hali & Dorsey with that, neither is dominant as yet but both have shown a level of progress through the year at brand new positions.

It's an indictment of Pioli's and his talent evaluating abilities, though he sure loves to place accountability every else except QB.

"Improvement is needed in all areas of our team"

that's what I would have said as coach, when dealing with a 3-12 situation.

Well, it is not an easy slam dunk, for sure.

But from memory, Herm took the team from 2nd in the NFL on offense to 16 his first year, then made it all the way to 32nd before getting fired.

His defense actually got worse, and nobody expected that.

If you want facts on one guy, you have to look at them the same way on the other guy.

Lets see what happens now with a full off season.