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Brock 01-01-2010 12:19 PM

Whatever the Chiefs do, you can nearly guarantee it will be a mistake.

milkman 01-01-2010 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 6396136)
Just like the Chargers aren't drafting Philip Rivers.

It was an absolute certainty that the Chargers were drafting QB in the first.

They had all but given up on Brees.

The fact is, the only reason Brees even got the opportunity to play that season is because of Rivers late arrival to camp.

TheGuardian 01-01-2010 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6396168)
It was an absolute certainty that the Chargers were drafting QB in the first.

They had all but given up on Brees.

The fact is, the only reason Brees even got the opportunity to play that season is because of Rivers late arrival to camp.

And Brees was not the Brees everyone knows now at that time. In fact, he'd been pretty awful up to that point.

CanadaKC 01-01-2010 12:23 PM

Give cassel another year...then if he continues along the suck path...draft Locker next year...he's the only QB I'd want anyways

Chiefshrink 01-01-2010 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6396168)
It was an absolute certainty that the Chargers were drafting QB in the first.

They had all but given up on Brees.

The fact is, the only reason Brees even got the opportunity to play that season is because of Rivers late arrival to camp.

So you are actually making a case for Cassel? You know, don't give up on Matt to soon!

TheGuardian 01-01-2010 12:25 PM

Cassel will get at minimum another year. I don't have a problem with bringing in a vet to push him, but we aren't drafting a guy in the first. I'm not sure what part of that some of you don't understand.

Coogs 01-01-2010 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CanadaKC (Post 6396179)
Give cassel another year...then if he continues along the suck path...draft Locker next year...he's the only QB I'd want anyways

OK, let's say we improve the defense some and the offense some this off-season. And let's say our record improves to 6-10. How in the heck are you going to get Locker if he is projected to be the 1st overall pick in the draft. And I say that because many were saying he would have/will... went/go #1 this year.

RustShack 01-01-2010 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 6396192)
OK, let's say we improve the defense some and the offense some this off-season. And let's say our record improves to 6-10. How in the heck are you going to get Locker if he is projected to be the 1st overall pick in the draft. And I say that because many were saying he would have/will... went/go #1 this year.

He didn't enter the draft because he was told by the draft advisory he was a second round pick...

Coogs 01-01-2010 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 6396197)
He didn't enter the draft because he was told by the draft advisory he was a second round pick...

Casserly said last week on the CBS pregame show that it is not set in stone that Locker was going back to Washington.

Chiefshrink 01-01-2010 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6396162)
He has the last few weeks. The first 3/4ths of the season? Not so much.

:thumb::thumb::thumb: And by the time you get to the last 1/4 of the season and actually start getting 'a little time' to throw you are so "sack shocked/running for your life shocked that you don't trust the protection in front of you that you actually are getting and have a tendency to be still in PTSD mode as any QB in the NFL would(including Brady,Brees and Manning).

LiveSteam 01-01-2010 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6396165)
Whatever the Chiefs do, you can nearly guarantee it will be a mistake.

Charlie-W is a beaten down & Broken man.IMO you dont want this guy or the fricken QB form ND either

milkman 01-01-2010 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6396158)
Sort of.

I'm saying that Pioli traded a 2nd rounder for him and gave him "28 million" just this past offseason. GM's, EVEN GOOD ONES, generally are in no hurry to admit a mistake or give up on a guy too soon. Cassel has shown that he CAN play at a high level, he just didn't behind a make shit line and throwing to WR's with concrete hands.

I agree to a certain extent here.

Pioli is not going to give up on Cassel after one season, so we won't be looking at QB in this draft.

However, some of the things you've discussed are not entirely correct.

Cassel only played well in the spread last year, and in spite of his poor accuracy, because of Moss, the most talented receiver in the game, defenses still had to respect the long ball, even though Cassel couldn't hit those with any consistency.
This allowed Welker to continue to excel, and to get big yac.

I don't see us getting a Randy Moss any time in the near future.

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6396162)
He has the last few weeks. The first 3/4ths of the season? Not so much.

The point is, he hasn't made any real strides, and in fact has stepped backwards, even though he has had protection.

Brock 01-01-2010 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by LiveSteam (Post 6396228)
Charlie-W is a beaten down & Broken man.IMO you dont want this guy or the fricken QB form ND either

I doubt Charlie W. is either beaten down or broken. He's a multimillionaire who can get an NFL job any time he wants one.

RustShack 01-01-2010 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by LiveSteam (Post 6396228)
Charlie-W is a beaten down & Broken man.IMO you dont want this guy or the fricken QB form ND either

Just because your not a good college HC in no way means your a bad NFL OC.

TheGuardian 01-01-2010 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by sportsshrink (Post 6396207)
:thumb::thumb::thumb: And by the time you get to the last 1/4 of the season and actually start getting 'a little time' to throw you are so "sack shocked/running for your life shocked that you don't trust the protection in front of you that you actually are getting and have a tendency to be still in PTSD mode as any QB in the NFL would(including Brady,Brees and Manning).

I agree. Cassel gets happy feet fairly quick now from the beating he took earlier in the season. that's a very real issue with QB's who are behind bad lines for too long. The line has improved but he still doesn't trust them yet. But even with that said, he's got to learn to get rid of the ball quicker. One thing I notice with him is that he waits too long on a pattern to develop where you should be throwing to a spot on the field. One issue there is WR continuity.

So there are a lot of factors going into the suckage by Cassel this season. Which is why I'm perfectly fine waiting to see if improves this offseason with a little better line and WR's.


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