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Stewie 01-09-2010 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by bowener (Post 6424915)
I think this man is a little upset or jealous, whatever it is he is not thinking clearly. I fail to see where the machines upfront cost will ever be too expensive for (basically) an endless supply of cheap energy. It will make more energy than it uses to create the reaction, and depending on what the $ amount charged for electricity is, any investor should be able to make their money back hand over fist as this becomes the modern standard for energy.

I thought Whitlock broke into the article to give his opinion and how nothing done for future good will ever work.

Gary 01-09-2010 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefaRoo (Post 6423528)
If they can get Fusion Power to work and be affordable the US will lead the world economically for the next 100 years. This would be like creating Microsoft, Google, Exxon,Yahoo and Apple while at the same time allowing us to get off many forms of Oil from the parts of the world who don't like us and allowing a shift away from Coal. It would be worth Trillions and Trillions of dollars over the next century.

My biggest question is how would they shut down the reaction so it wouldn't get out of control. I know they'll use magnetic fields but there has to be a way to keep the fusion process from getting away from them via an instant shut off.

Great...now the Bilderberg group will know about it and use it as another tool to rule the world.

Cannibal 01-09-2010 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 6425955)
OIC, you're a simpleton. I'm so sorry.

I like your takes on Howard Stern and the general entertainment world so much more. :D

Baby Lee 01-09-2010 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannibal (Post 6426374)
I like your takes on Howard Stern and the general entertainment world so much more. :D

What in the world do you expect when you come in with 'obtuse generality about a political opponent' then I reply with specific critiques from both sides of the aisle, THEN you reply 'Ah doan care 'bout pacifics, I like mah obtoos genuhalittty'

Maybe it'd be better if I let you keep your take, and counter with 'meddlesome libs probably hate this because they hate cheap plentiful energy because it robs them of the opportunity to micromanage our lives for 'the greater good.'' And we can just keep shouting past each other.

deadbabyseal 01-09-2010 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 6424988)
Smart money is on the polywell fusion devices beating it to market.

They should know if the concept will work in the next year or two at latest... from there it would be 10 years (or less) until we could see power plants.

Plus these "wiffle balls" could be produced in tiny sizes (relatively)... a viable working model could be as small as 10-20 feet in diameter.

Bussard rocks!

Cannibal 01-09-2010 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 6426433)
What in the world do you expect when you come in with 'obtuse generality about a political opponent' then I reply with specific critiques from both sides of the aisle, THEN you reply 'Ah doan care 'bout pacifics, I like mah obtoos genuhalittty'

Maybe it'd be better if I let you keep your take, and counter with 'meddlesome libs probably hate this because they hate cheap plentiful energy because it robs them of the opportunity to micromanage our lives for 'the greater good.'' And we can just keep shouting past each other.

There's some truth to what I said. But I do agree with you that I was generalizing. You weren't supposed to call me on it! :) I did do it to get Donger's goat and it worked like a charm if you saw his response.

Baby Lee 01-09-2010 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannibal (Post 6426506)
There's some truth to what I said. But I do agree with you that I was generalizing. You weren't supposed to call me on it! :) I did do it to get Donger's goat and it worked like a charm if you saw his response.

Not speaking for all RWers, but I support government programs that tackle;

1) defense
2) infrastructure
3) technology and understanding of our physical world.

What I oppose is programs that try to manipulate the economy and human interaction [beyond the three angles above]. And I oppose them, not because I don't want the government to try to help people, but because I recognize in human nature that, for every attempt to help, there is a reaction to game the system to our own greatest satisfaction.

So we're stuck between, a free market with those good at capitalism getting rich and those who aren't languishing in poverty, or a progressive government with those good at cozying up to government getting rich and those who aren't languishing at entitlement/subsistance level. And in the second instance, those ill-gotten gains are taken from us with our permission and acquiesence, and entitlement/subsistence existence paralyzises us from action and achievement.

Cannibal 01-09-2010 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 6427887)
Not speaking for all RWers, but I support government programs that tackle;

1) defense
2) infrastructure
3) technology and understanding of our physical world.

What I oppose is programs that try to manipulate the economy and human interaction [beyond the three angles above]. And I oppose them, not because I don't want the government to try to help people, but because I recognize in human nature that, for every attempt to help, there is a reaction to game the system to our own greatest satisfaction.

So we're stuck between, a free market with those good at capitalism getting rich and those who aren't languishing in poverty, or a progressive government with those good at cozying up to government getting rich and those who aren't languishing at entitlement/subsistance level. And in the second instance, those ill-gotten gains are taken from us with our permission and acquiesence, and entitlement/subsistence existence paralyzises us from action and achievement.

Good post. I lean further left than that as you know. I support government provided safety nets in some areas and I feel they are important to countries who are not part of the 3rd world. I also believe that our defense spending needs to be scaled way back. We already outspend the rest of the entire planet combined by a long shot. Of course we won't change each other's mind though, so I think where we may have common ground might be on social issues, just based on what I've read of your posts. I could be wrong about that though.

Cannibal 01-09-2010 06:07 PM

I'd also like to point out that I fully support the government program talked about in the original post... to get back to the point anyway.

googlegoogle 01-09-2010 06:10 PM

it wont. it is a waste of money.

laser fusion sucks and is a fraud.

money should be going to the plasma reactor.

TigerPig 01-10-2010 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by googlegoogle (Post 6428099)
money should be going to the plasma reactor.

Or the arc reactor...

Icon 01-10-2010 08:56 AM

It sounds like it takes quite a bit of energy to create the fusion reaction. What would be the approximate energy gain if successful? Are we talking 2 to 1, 10 to 1, 1,000 to 1, etc.?

HonestChieffan 01-10-2010 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Gary (Post 6426010)
Great...now the Bilderberg group will know about it and use it as another tool to rule the world.

They noted your comment.


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