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DBOSHO 01-16-2010 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6449953)
He's definitely HOF caliber...but he's a full tier below, at least, behind the all-time greats.

And the all-time greats are probably a full tier below Peyton Manning.

Hootie, for christ sake, please stop saying dumb things.

Im agreeing that peyton is AMONG Them, hes a great qb, but his playoff record alone doesnt put him above them.

Pushead2 01-16-2010 12:40 PM

yikes, this one has stupidity written all over it....

DeezNutz 01-16-2010 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 6449970)
Again What was the alternative??? Even Sanchez is at best a game manager.
And you just said game managers have won super bowls. Brady was in 2001. All I'm saying is give the guy an OC and a decent supporting cast and a ****ing chance if after this year the Chiefs aren't at least 8-8 and Cassel hasn't improved a ton then flame away. But to make these judgements that he and Pioli are failures already is assinine.
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At best? LMAO. Yeah, his ceiling is pretty well defined.

That said, of course Cassel needs more tools/weapons surrounding him.

Pioli Zombie 01-16-2010 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6449966)
Even the biggest Patriots fan (Bill Simmons) will tell you Peyton Manning is the better QB...

and he's a huge Boston homer...

but milkman, pioli zombie and ChiefsCountry know differently!

Oh for ****s sake,Hootie. Yes. In 2009,Manning is better. But over their careers they are BOTH top 5 of all time qbs and over their career I'd take Brady in the big games.
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tyler360 01-16-2010 12:42 PM

To say that Brady is just a game manager is just dumb. The man threw for 50 TDs. If that is a game manager sign me up.

Hootie 01-16-2010 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DBOSHO (Post 6449963)
Dude its bradys fault pollard barreled into his knee. If he had the pocket awareness of say, a peyton manning, he wouldve dodged it and threw a td.

Its also his fault that the defense played at a high school level for most of the season.

Peyton Manning was sacked 10 times this season...

10 times.

And do you think that is a testament to his offensive line?

Because I certainly don't...

That offense line is MEDIOCRE...

I love Aaron Rodgers...I think he's great...I bet someone on this board last year he'd have a QB rating over 90 (when they ended up going 6-10 and he posted a 91+ rating)...I knew he was going to be a great QB...

Put Aaron Rodgers behind the Colts line and he gets sacked around the same amount of times he was sacked behind his line in Green Bay.

Hey...

You want to bail Brady out of his poor performance because of his knee injury...or because of his "lack" of weapons (and I'll lol at that all day long)...or because of his shitty offensive line...

But the truth is...Manning never would have suffered that knee injury because he never would have put himself in that situation...he knows he's too important to that team...

and you know what...

Peyton Manning had the worst supporting cast I've ever seen in my life last season for the first 10 weeks and he SINGLE-HANDEDLY kept that team alive and they ended up winning 12 games...

He had absolutely NO protection and he was still getting rid of the ball and making plays DESPITE a non-existant running game and a WR2 (Harrison) who was 1000% washed up and missing two gigantic steps from his game...

Just sit back and watch Peyton Manning play that same Ravens defense at home tonight (just like Brady last week) and see what he does...

But then I'm sure it's just because he has the better "weapons" and better "supporting cast"...

milkman 01-16-2010 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 6449970)
Again What was the alternative??? Even Sanchez is at best a game manager.
And you just said game managers have won super bowls. Brady was in 2001. All I'm saying is give the guy an OC and a decent supporting cast and a ****ing chance if after this year the Chiefs aren't at least 8-8 and Cassel hasn't improved a ton then flame away. But to make these judgements that he and Pioli are failures already is assinine.
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What I'm saying is that even if there wasn't an alternaitve in the last draft, then you build a team with the players you have on hand, and hope to land a franchise QB in the next draft or two.

You don't give away a 2nd round pick for a (What?) 28 year old game manager on a team that is so devoid of talent that he'll be in his 30s before the team is ready to compete.

Hootie 01-16-2010 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6449972)
****, Hootie, saying that Manning is better is a little different from saying that Brady is essentially a game manager.

Lets be honest...

The Patriots win when they ask Brady to manage games...

The Patriots lose when they depend on Brady to win games.

Every single game the Colts play they depend on Peyton to win games.

Can anyone argue this?

DeezNutz 01-16-2010 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6449981)
But the truth is...Manning never would have suffered that knee injury because he never would have put himself in that situation...he knows he's too important to that team...

What a load of horse shit. Anyone buying?

It's football, Hootie. Players get hit, and sometimes unlucky shit happens.

milkman 01-16-2010 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6449983)
Lets be honest...

The Patriots win when they ask Brady to manage games...

The Patriots lose when they depend on Brady to win games.

Every single game the Colts play they depend on Peyton to win games.

Can anyone argue this?

The SB run would argue with this.

Manning did everything he could to give away two playoff games.

Hootie 01-16-2010 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6449984)
What a load of horse shit. Anyone buying?

It's football, Hootie. Players get hit, and sometimes unlucky shit happens.

and that's why Peyton Manning has never, ever, EVER missed a game? Ever.

???

Lets be honest...

and Tom Brady has always been very non-injury prone as well...

Some players just won't get injured...

Peyton Manning senses pressure better than any QB EVER and he doesn't take hits, and when he does, he knows when they are coming and he instinctively protects himself from injury.

Plain and simple.

Other than draining his knee last offseason...has he ever even been on an injury report?

The guy is a freak of nature. He has QB in his DNA.

DBOSHO 01-16-2010 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6449981)
Peyton Manning was sacked 10 times this season...

10 times.

And do you think that is a testament to his offensive line?

Because I certainly don't...

That offense line is MEDIOCRE...

I love Aaron Rodgers...I think he's great...I bet someone on this board last year he'd have a QB rating over 90 (when they ended up going 6-10 and he posted a 91+ rating)...I knew he was going to be a great QB...

Put Aaron Rodgers behind the Colts line and he gets sacked around the same amount of times he was sacked behind his line in Green Bay.

Hey...

You want to bail Brady out of his poor performance because of his knee injury...or because of his "lack" of weapons (and I'll lol at that all day long)...or because of his shitty offensive line...

But the truth is...Manning never would have suffered that knee injury because he never would have put himself in that situation...he knows he's too important to that team...

and you know what...

Peyton Manning had the worst supporting cast I've ever seen in my life last season for the first 10 weeks and he SINGLE-HANDEDLY kept that team alive and they ended up winning 12 games...

He had absolutely NO protection and he was still getting rid of the ball and making plays DESPITE a non-existant running game and a WR2 (Harrison) who was 1000% washed up and missing two gigantic steps from his game...

Just sit back and watch Peyton Manning play that same Ravens defense at home tonight (just like Brady last week) and see what he does...

But then I'm sure it's just because he has the better "weapons" and better "supporting cast"...

This entire post is funny. Peyton wouldnt put himself in that situation because hes a pussy in the pocket when pressures around.

DeezNutz 01-16-2010 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6449983)
Lets be honest...

The Patriots win when they ask Brady to manage games...

The Patriots lose when they depend on Brady to win games.

Every single game the Colts play they depend on Peyton to win games.

Can anyone argue this?

Part of managing the game is repeatedly hitting the go route?

milkman 01-16-2010 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 6449983)
Lets be honest...

The Patriots win when they ask Brady to manage games...

The Patriots lose when they depend on Brady to win games.

Every single game the Colts play they depend on Peyton to win games.

Can anyone argue this?

and bottom line, you can argue that Manning has only delivered once in the playoffs in the clutch when the game was on the line at the end.

Brady has delivered several times.

Pushead2 01-16-2010 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6449986)
The SB run would argue with this.

Manning did everything he could to give away two playoff games.

Agreed, if the Bears didn't have Grossman that Super Bowl was thiers


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