ChiefsPlanet

ChiefsPlanet (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/index.php)
-   Saccopoo Memorial Draft Forum (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?f=29)
-   -   Arguments for a Left Tackle in the 2010 Draft. (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=222779)

OnTheWarpath15 02-02-2010 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 6500709)
I [stares at receiver] disagree [breaks pocket before the pressure gets there] with [pumps and pulls the ball back] this [pumps again] statement. /Cassel

LMAO

Found a new sig.

Thanks.

WildTurkey 02-02-2010 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 6500709)
I [stares at receiver] disagree [breaks pocket before the pressure gets there] with [pumps and pulls the ball back] this [pumps again] statement. /Cassel

get rid of the ****ing ball Matt :cuss:

RustShack 02-02-2010 10:20 PM

Hopefully this dumbass leaves like FindTheLaws did when he realized how completely wrong he was.

Holy SHIT is this his new account? The being a complete dumbass when it comes to the draft matches up!

OnTheWarpath15 02-02-2010 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 6500740)
Hopefully this dumbass leaves like FindTheLaws did when he realized how completely wrong he was.

Holy SHIT is this his new account? The being a complete dumbass when it comes to the draft matches up!

LMAO

Forgot about that douchebag.

Trevor Laws has 22 career tackles in 27 career games. No starts, no other stats registered.

Yeah, he's just as good as Dorsey and Ellis.

LMAO

WildTurkey 02-02-2010 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6500744)
LMAO

Forgot about that douchebag.

Trevor Laws has 22 career tackles in 27 career games. No starts, no other stats registered.

Yeah, he's just as good as Dorsey and Ellis.

LMAO

If I remember correctly he had quite the Hard on for both him and Jake Long ROFL

Saccopoo 02-02-2010 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 6499967)
One thing you have not considered, mr. Saccogoo, is how much does cassel contribute to the sack issue, either through a poor cadence or holding on to the ball too long. Check how many times he was sacked in new england last year behind their line. As I recall, it was a staggering figure.

Further, you assume albert can successfully transition to the right side - which is a substantial risk. Further still, you want to draft in the top 5 against the strengths of this draft class. Okung is a value-reach at best at 5.

Those are my arguments.
Posted via Mobile Device

I don't see how Okung is a value reach as nearly everyone to a man considers him the best LT in the draft and compares his potential to guys like Joe Thomas and D'brickashaw Ferguson. He's equal or better at his position than anyone outside of Berry and Suh. Last year there was talk of Okung potentially being one of the first tackles taken in the draft last year if he decided to declare. That's not a value reach pick by any stretch.

And I also don't see how that is the least bit relevant to "the strengths of this draft class." It's a deep class at a lot of positions. Tight end might be the deepest of all the positions. Wouldn't you take the best LT in the draft if you had the chance to do so if you needed one knowing that it wasn't a deep LT class? If it's a deep class at a particular position, you can forgo taking a guy at that position early on and still pick up a guy later in the draft that is close to that #1 guys abilities. (I'm pretty sure that's what they mean by picking to the strength of a particular positions strength.) e.g., If the Chiefs don't pick Eric Berry with their first round pick, there will still be a lot of quality players to choose from at the safety position later on in the draft.

And I'm advocating Albert move to LG rather than RT. Let him bulk back up and play in the box where his deficiencies aren't as likely to be exposed as they are on the edge. It's the position he played in college and the position where he received so many raves and accolades because of his play there. Even Albert said he wouldn't have a problem/be happy about moving over when there was talk of the Chiefs selecting Monroe last year.

And yes, I agree with you that Cassel holds the ball a bit longer than some other quarterbacks. Thus the need for a good offensive line to give him that extra second to make the play. His manner of play needs a good O-line as a poor blocking line (see the Chiefs giving up an ungodly amount of sacks this past season) is going to exacerbate any potential problems in his game. (Rothlisberger and Rogers are the same way.)

WildTurkey 02-02-2010 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6500864)
I don't see how Okung is a value reach as nearly everyone to a man considers him the best LT in the draft and compares his potential to guys like Joe Thomas and D'brickashaw Ferguson. He's equal or better at his position than anyone outside of Berry and Suh. Last year there was talk of Okung potentially being one of the first tackles taken in the draft last year if he decided to declare. That's not a value reach pick by any stretch.

And I also don't see how that is the least bit relevant to "the strengths of this draft class." It's a deep class at a lot of positions. Tight end might be the deepest of all the positions. Wouldn't you take the best LT in the draft if you had the chance to do so if you needed one knowing that it wasn't a deep LT class? If it's a deep class at a particular position, you can forgo taking a guy at that position early on and still pick up a guy later in the draft that is close to that #1 guys abilities. (I'm pretty sure that's what they mean by picking to the strength of a particular positions strength.) e.g., If the Chiefs don't pick Eric Berry with their first round pick, there will still be a lot of quality players to choose from at the safety position later on in the draft.

And I'm advocating Albert move to LG rather than RT. Let him bulk back up and play in the box where his deficiencies aren't as likely to be exposed as they are on the edge. It's the position he played in college and the position where he received so many raves and accolades because of his play there. Even Albert said he wouldn't have a problem/be happy about moving over when there was talk of the Chiefs selecting Monroe last year.

And yes, I agree with you that Cassel holds the ball a bit longer than some other quarterbacks. Thus the need for a good offensive line to give him that extra second to make the play. His manner of play needs a good O-line as a poor blocking line (see the Chiefs giving up an ungodly amount of sacks this past season) is going to exacerbate any potential problems in his game. (Rothlisberger and Rogers are the same way.)

I have not read those comparisons in what I have read on him and watching him play I'm no draft or scouting expert but I don't see a dominating LT which is what I want at #5

Saccopoo 02-02-2010 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6499987)
Funny how you clipped the Walter excerpt, when they said that Albert played almost flawlessly the second half of the year.

Branden Albert improved over the season and was pretty flawless in the final month. But I'm not convinced that he's a franchise left tackle. There's a chance that he could be, but I don't think anyone can seriously say that he's a lock to be one.

Neg rep for intellectual dishonesty.

Additionally, Walter most likely didn't watch the majority of Chiefs games and didn't know that Albert was

A) Struggling with weight
B) Learning new technique.

Funny how once he got both those down, his play improved. But let's give up on him after two years.

Because Albert didn't play flawlessly the second half of the year. The Buffalo game was his second worst performance of the year, and the Cincinnati game was a close third.

And how can your footwork get worse if you weigh less? How can your reaction time be worse if you have less mass?

And I wonder what happened at about that half way point which seemed to be a miracle from the Baby Jesus to almost all of our offensive linemen? Oh, that's right. Larry got the boot and we found a decent running game. It's amazing what happens when you have a running back that can actually run. However, Albert's technique and skill set didn't have this amazing epiphany all of a sudden. Go watch the Buffalo game and tell me if you really think that he was better then than earlier in the season from a technique and skill standpoint.

Saccopoo 02-02-2010 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6499991)
Nice find.

What? That I left out the part where Walter said he's not a franchise left tackle and thinks he'll never be one? And that somehow goes against my argument?

Yeah, nice find Hamas. Thanks for helping me support my argument against Albert as our LT.

Saccopoo 02-02-2010 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 6500035)
Here is the argument for taking a LT - A) Albert dies or B) Albert suffers a Sly Morris or Percy Snow type injury this off season. That is it. Besides all of the LT's in this draft do not have the ceiling that Albert has.

And what ceiling is that, and what are you basing your "projection" on? Seriously. I want you to tell me why you think Albert is headed to the Pro Bowl as a LT in the not to distant future. What stuff does he have that gives him this incredibly high ceiling that you speak of.

I eagerly anticipate your response.

Saccopoo 02-02-2010 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildTurkey (Post 6500107)
You know since this team has so few holes to fill lets pick a player in the top 5 at a position where we actually have a talented player... makes sense to me

Albert is a talented player? As a LT? And what are you basing this on?

OnTheWarpath15 02-02-2010 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6500881)
What? That I left out the part where Walter said he's not a franchise left tackle and thinks he'll never be one? And that somehow goes against my argument?

Yeah, nice find Hamas. Thanks for helping me support my argument against Albert as our LT.

No, dipshit, the part where he admits that Albert improved over the last half of the season - something you're not willing to do.

And sorry, but I'm not terribly concerned that some clown named Walter, working out of his basement thinks that in his expert opinion, Albert won't be a franchise LT.

RustShack 02-02-2010 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6500888)
Albert is a talented player? As a LT? And what are you basing this on?

You should just give up watching football.. but then again based off how your talking it appears you don't watch it in the first place. Stats and draft "experts" don't know the whole story.

OnTheWarpath15 02-02-2010 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6500886)
And what ceiling is that, and what are you basing your "projection" on? Seriously. I want you to tell me why you think Albert is headed to the Pro Bowl as a LT in the not to distant future. What stuff does he have that gives him this incredibly high ceiling that you speak of.

I eagerly anticipate your response.

Why does he have to be a Pro Bowler?

Christ, the PB is nothing more than a popularity contest.

Michael Roos is one of the better young LT's in the game, and he's been to ONE Pro Bowl.

You lost what little credibility you had left when you compared Okung to Joe ****ing Thomas.

cdcox 02-02-2010 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6500864)
And yes, I agree with you that Cassel holds the ball a bit longer than some other quarterbacks. Thus the need for a good offensive line to give him that extra second to make the play.

No, you don't get it. If you give Cassel 3 seconds, he'll take 4. If you give him 4, he'll take 5. No receiver is quite open enough for him to throw the ball to him. He's not decisive. Probably because he doesn't have confidence in his arm/accruacy.

The solution to better QB play is not to get a better OL, the solution is to get a better QB. Just like Jamal Charles made the run blocking look a whole lot better than LJ did. The OL is adequate. You can make it better over time by drafting good players in rounds 3 and later. You need to use your early picks for playmakers, cause you aren't going to stumble over those in the later rounds very often.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:58 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.