It's amazing to me how much people here hate young QB's, and how they expect them all to be perfect straight out of college.

If you can't see the upside in someone like Stafford, Sanchez or Clausen, then frankly, you have no idea what you're looking at/for.

It'd be more amazing if most people on here weren't ****ing stupid.

LMAO

Good point.

yeah



...but you're a dumbass....

Damn right he did! If I was Joey Chestnut, I'd be worrying my ass off.

They went with Cassel because he was a known commodity. Sanchez was not. I don't think that Cassel is the end all, be all, and if a top flight QB were to be available to the Chiefs in the draft, I can't imagine them passing on one, but I don't believe that Sanchez was viewed as that type of guy. (And I like Mark a lot as a QB. He showed a lot of moxy and did progress as the season went on. He did have a lot of WTF? moments though. Typical rookie QB season.) Sanchez would have been broken, mentally, physically, if he started for KC last season, and there was no way in hell that Thigpen was going to be our starter.

I wouldn't be shocked if the Chiefs start stockpiling picks in an effort to make a run at a player like Gabbert in a year or two.

Personally, I wouldn't mind it one bit if the Chiefs took their first rounder and one of their seconds and a fifth to move up to get Suh at #1 and traded Dorsey to one of those teams wanting/needing a 4-3 DT (Tampa, Detroit, Tennessee, etc.) and get that second and fifth back via that trade.

Yeah, it's always wise to invest a top 5 pick in a player and then 2 years later get back a 2nd rounder and a 5th.

I suppose by your fool-proof evaluation method that Dorsey somehow didn't make any progress either last year, right?

Dorsey was the best DE on the team last year. As far as I am concerned KC is done with the DE position. They need to let Magee and Jackson develop. Gilberry did fairly well in relief duty. That's it. Dorsey, Jackson, Magee and Gilberry. Develop them and start to focus on other positions.

That's the nature of devaluation in the NFL. If you aren't putting up Jared Allen like numbers, there isn't a team in the league, no matter how desperate they are for a DT (e.g., Detroit), that is going to give the Chiefs a first round draft pick back for Dorsey. I wish it was the case, but because he's playing out of position, he hasn't been able to produce on the field to the level that he is probably capable of. A second and a fourth/fifth is about all you'd be able to get for him at this point I would imagine.

I think he made progress as the season wore on, but it wasn't anything to write home about. I think he does have good value to certain teams, and if you could move up into the #1 spot, pick up Suh (who has everything to be a dominant force at the five tech DE position), trade Dorsey and get those picks back that it took to move up to the one spot, I'd do it. Easily. At that point, you could go with a Cam Thomas or Kade Weston at the NT spot later in the draft as Suh and Jackson as bookend DE's would be a load.

So you'd rather just go with the known commodity over potential at the most important position on the field, and then the next year trade away your own known (improving) commodity to trade for potential at a far less important position like 5-tech? I believe in the process you'd be paying 2 signing bonuses as well, Dorsey's would need to be paid off and then you'd owe Suh a monster contract. Also, before you say that Suh is an elite talent remember that Dorsey was considered the best player in his draft and is starting to play like it.

Who hates young QBs? Was Sanchez even average, let alone close to perfect?

I can see some upside, but Sanchez was dropped into the perfect situation and failed. So I don't see how anyone can already say we made a mistake. Maybe he proves down the road that we made a mistake, but not right now. He had top defense and top running game and while he flashed at time still had a horrible passer rating on a good team. He was 28th in the league in passer rating, the next worst QB in passer rating for a team that made the playoffs was 16th (Palmer). The Jets won inspite of Sanchez, not because of him. Again not saying he won't improve, but you can't say right now that it was a mistake to pass on him, but you can't say it was a smart move at this time either.

I'm not saying I wouldn't have drafted Sanchez - I would have. If I were the GM, I would have let Brodie have another go at the QB spot, picked up another guy (such as Guitterez) and drafted Sanchez for the QBOTF. I like the guy a lot and think he's got a good future. I think that the Hasselbeck comparison was a good one. He's a guy that you can build a team around and be successful with. I do understand why the Chiefs traded for Cassel though. (I think that they screwed the pooch by not going after Olshansky, but that's neither here nor there at this point.)

I also think that Suh has every single possible tool to be the dominant force at a 3-4 five tech DE position. The guy has the length, the strength, the agility and the instincts to be the prototype for the position.

And Dorsey is not playing like the best player in his draft. Not even close. He made improvements, but he was out of position a lot this past year and seemed at times to get lost on plays, especially when they ran at him on the outside edge. He's got a ways to go before anyone is going to consider him a decent DE. I think that the general consensus is that he'd be a much better 4-3 DT than anything. The guy just looks out of position and played like it more often than not.

I was thrilled when we drafted Dorsey. However, we changed coaches the next season and changed schemes. Haley has been given the support cast and looks to be the long term guy as the Chiefs head coach. Crennel and Weiss could retire out of the AC spots in Kansas City. It looks like we are set in terms of the systems they want to run, and as a fan, I want the best possible player for our team, and Suh represents that in this draft. Bookend him with Jackson and you are looking at the makings of a dominant 3-4 defense. I can't look at Dorsey and make that same claim. (Though, if I were Atlanta, Tennessee, Minnesota, Detroit, Tampa Bay, Jacksonville, etc., I'd be actively looking at the possibility of acquiring a guy like Mr. Dorsey.)

How the **** could anyone be stupid enough to argue that a rookie QB who got to the conference championship game has ****ing failed?

Mother of ****. :facepalm:

There is a bit of Sanchizination around here. I like him and think he's going to be a good quarterback. He made some really terrific reads and throws, but he also made some of the dumbest ass plays I've seen from a QB this year. Rookie. It takes several years though and I don't think that the Chiefs got anything different in Cassel other than a bit more maturity and understanding of the professional game. That was the one thing that Cassel had in his favor over picking a guy like Sanchez in the draft. Cassel had watched game film, practiced against NFL defenses, learned under Brady, and had a year of starting experience in the NFL. Sanchez was an unknown. Cassel was a known commodity. Is he a "franchise" quarterback. I don't know. There were too many questions stemming from this past season (horrible offensive line, changing the play calling/scheme at the start of the season, Larry Johnson, wide receivers who led the league in dropped passes, tight ends who couldn't run routes, etc.) to make any type of judgement call on Cassel. I'm pretty positive that he has done better with a whole lot less when comparing him with Sanchez.

With Weiss as the OC, and a full offseason of a set offensive scheme, I think that we'll see marked improvements in Cassel's game.

The problem that most people have around here is that they want "their guy" at the key positions. Cassel wasn't picked by the Chiefs. He was traded for. I think that's why there is such a support group for Albert and Dorsey. They were Chief's first round picks. They've got to be better because we picked them. I just don't think that either really translate to what Haley and Weiss and Crennel want to do in this offense. I hope they all work out though. A bird in hand is worth two in the bush.

sorry, man, but that is preposterous....his performance against the colts alone validates his rookie season....