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RealSNR 02-13-2010 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 6530102)
What's up with this strawman of people wanting Okung? I think I've seen like 1 guy on here lobby for the pick.

Uhh, I was talking to Saccopoo. He's that one guy who wants an OT with the pick.

RealSNR 02-13-2010 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 6530099)
So are you going to answer the question? I tell what what I'll just keep it to the first 20 picks. Will someone in the top 20 drafted after Berry have a better NFL career? Don't give me the crock of shit that it matters how good the team is. Jared Allen and Tony Gonzalez both still shined on a sorry ass Chiefs team. A good player looks like a good player on any team.

I'll answer the question. The chance that Berry is better than 15 other fantastic athletes in a single draft class is extremely unlikely. The chance that one of those 15 other athletes is better than the 14 other athletes or Berry is extremely unlikely.

So given that information, the answer is yes. Berry is a better prospect and has a better chance of success than those other players. That's why he's so highly touted.

RustShack 02-13-2010 06:41 PM

Calvin Johnson was also a rare prospect like Berry is, so you fail right there. And Allen fell because of small school and character issues. Also I like how your talking about a bunch of different positions when I'm just talking about safeties.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-13-2010 06:43 PM

Safety is barely more important than center:

Signed: Ed Reed, Troy Polamalu, Rodney Harrison, Darren Sharper, Brian Dawkins.

RustShack 02-13-2010 06:45 PM

This douche needs to get out of his hole hes been in for ten years and realize Safety is a hell of a lot more important now than it was when he entered the hole.

Mecca 02-13-2010 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 6529932)
How great would it be if we took Okung and the dude turns out to be a Willie Roaf type LT? Watching the CP experts have to eat crow would be great.

Nothing and I mean nothing is sadder than the people who honestly have more interest in hoping someone is wrong or looks dumb than the future of this team.

Whether you personally dislike me, Hamas or anyone else, this take is pure reerunation.

Mecca 02-13-2010 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 6529957)
It won't change my view because of what we should have learned last year: The draft board of an NFL general manager is different than the draft board of the average NFL fan.

Is it good or bad to know that "average fan" could have outdrafted the Chiefs this past year?

BigCatDaddy 02-13-2010 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 6530158)
Calvin Johnson was also a rare prospect like Berry is, so you fail right there. And Allen fell because of small school and character issues. Also I like how your talking about a bunch of different positions when I'm just talking about safeties.

Cool. Let's talk 80's Chiefs football suckage and a standout on that team named Derron Cherry......

BigCatDaddy 02-13-2010 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 6530141)
I'll answer the question. The chance that Berry is better than 15 other fantastic athletes in a single draft class is extremely unlikely. The chance that one of those 15 other athletes is better than the 14 other athletes or Berry is extremely unlikely.

So given that information, the answer is yes. Berry is a better prospect and has a better chance of success than those other players. That's why he's so highly touted.

In your opinion, but odds are you are wrong as you admit. If the Chiefs go with say another player like Graham who isn't "rated into the top 10" and he turns into Demarcus Ware then that's a brillant move that we should be open to.

Mecca 02-13-2010 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 6530214)
Cool. Let's talk 80's Chiefs football suckage and a standout on that team named Derron Cherry......

What exactly is the base of this argument?

Eric Berry is one of the premier prospects in the draft, your argument is what?

BigCatDaddy 02-13-2010 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6530167)
Safety is barely more important than center:

Signed: Ed Reed, Troy Polamalu, Rodney Harrison, Darren Sharper, Brian Dawkins.

I don't think anybody is saying that bro. What we are saying is not every player other then Berry sucks.

Mecca 02-13-2010 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 6530221)
I don't think anybody is saying that bro. What we are saying is not every player other then Berry sucks.

He's one of the few guys worth the pick, and Sacc has been arguing shit like that so it's not "no one".

BigCatDaddy 02-13-2010 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6530218)
What exactly is the base of this argument?

Eric Berry is one of the premier prospects in the draft, your argument is what?

His arguement was that Berry wouldn't look good on a bad team. My arguement is that is doesn't matter. Great players still look good on crap team. He didn't like my comparison of Allen, Johnson, etc and wanted a safety so I mentioned a bad team that had a safety stand out that I thought we would all be familar with.

Mecca 02-13-2010 07:08 PM

Depends on the position the player plays, a great WR on a team with no QB well he's not gonna perform all that highly.

Don't worry though this team likely won't take Berry, we don't need any elite level playmakers.

BigCatDaddy 02-13-2010 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6530227)
He's one of the few guys worth the pick, and Sacc has been arguing shit like that so it's not "no one".

No, there are 15 guys worth the pick based on past history of the draft. The trick is picking one of those 15 and not taking Ryan Sims, or Tyson Jackson.


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