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Micjones 03-06-2010 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6582457)
This team has alot of holes though. Look if you sign Atogwae then Berry becomes a luxury pick. So you either draft Berry & then have a secondary just as good as anyones or you be cheap and not sign anyone and hope Berry is there when you draft and if he isn't you're back to square one.

Berry's the most talented Safety, but not the only Safety coming out who can help this team.

I'd take...
1. Taylor Mays
2. Chad Jones
3. Nate Allen

If we can't get Berry. And that would help the secondary...

Micjones 03-06-2010 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6582534)
Panic? No.

But I think that expecting Scott Pioli, a man who has never put a premium on drafting QB's, receivers, safeties or cornerbacks, to draft a playmaker at #5 or even #37, is expecting too much.

He's not the GM in New England anymore.
This is an entirely different situation.
I'm going to give him time to sink or swim.

As it stands...
We have a VERY good shot at drafting a Safety/WR combo in the draft that would make us all forget about Walter and Atogwe.

Chiefaholic 03-06-2010 03:49 PM

Kind of reminds you of the postseason after Trent Green's (aka...TrINT Green) first season in KC, huh? The sky is falling, the sky is falling, HELP!!!!

Now.... I'm going to go out and find somebody who's illiterate, lazy, and can't act to save his life and send his ass to Hollywood. When Dane can't turn his ass into Harrison Ford in a 9 month timeframe, I'll be calling for his head.

Scott Pioli was served a shit sandwich his first season as Chiefs head coach. 90% of the people here knew damn well this season wouldn't be worth a crap. Yet, most of those people still complain that the team on the field blows. This makes no sense to me...

DaneMcCloud 03-06-2010 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 6582972)
He's not the GM in New England anymore.
This is an entirely different situation.
I'm going to give him time to sink or swim.

As it stands...
We have a VERY good shot at drafting a Safety/WR combo in the draft that would make us all forget about Walter and Atogwe.

What I'm saying Mic is that I don't think it's in his nature or part of his philosophy to draft skilled players at high positions in the draft.

Time will tell, but his history indicates his preferences.

Micjones 03-06-2010 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6582977)
What I'm saying Mic is that I don't think it's in his nature or part of his philosophy to draft skilled players at high positions in the draft.

Time will tell, but his history indicates his preferences.

I can't argue with that.

Hopefully that will change. There will be some VERY attractive options available in the opening two rounds.

From a sheer value standpoint... It'd be hard to pass on a guy like Berry if he's there.

DaneMcCloud 03-06-2010 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefaholic (Post 6582975)
Kind of reminds you of the postseason after Trent Green's (aka...TrINT Green) first season in KC, huh? The sky is falling, the sky is falling, HELP!!!!

No, not at all.

Trent Green's interception issue wasn't entirely his fault. He had poor receivers that weren't well versed in the Coryell system. Once Kennison arrived and Saunders figured out that Priest was much more than a third down back, the offense rolled.

Cassel got worse as the season went along. Even though he was sacked only 8 times in the last six games, and Jamaal Charles went on a terror, Cassel's play declined.

That is nothing like Trent Green's first year, whatsoever.

JD10367 03-06-2010 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6582867)
How does your post explain Cassel's weak arm, his inaccuracy or his poor decision making?

Please explain.

I just gave my opinion. He looked pretty damn good in New England, and he went to a bad team with a rookie coach and a rookie GM and a new playbook. Did he make some bad decisions? Did he try too hard to do too much, maybe? Sure. That doesn't mean he's a total washout. But God forbid some of you actually give him (or Pioli, or Haley) more than a season's chance to prove that.

SAUTO 03-06-2010 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6582682)
Well Jason, the fact is right now that he's not a great QB.

He's not even a good QB.

He's hovering somewhere around average to below average. His accuracy is poor, his decision making suspect, he's not "strong armed" and he hold on to the ball way too long. His play decreased while the running game ascended this past year and as his sacks went down, so did his overall play.

He displayed nothing that said "Super Bowl QB".

To this point, he's been just a "guy" and I don't know why anyone expects that to change overnight.

maybe posts like this are the reason i said a million percent. :)
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TRR 03-06-2010 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6582982)
No, not at all.

Trent Green's interception issue wasn't entirely his fault. He had poor receivers that weren't well versed in the Coryell system. Once Kennison arrived and Saunders figured out that Priest was much more than a third down back, the offense rolled.

Cassel got worse as the season went along. Even though he was sacked only 8 times in the last six games, and Jamaal Charles went on a terror, Cassel's play declined.

That is nothing like Trent Green's first year, whatsoever.

That's very easy to say now that you can look back and see what Green did. However, his second season didn't start out any better than his entire first season with KC. Cassel and Green's situations are VERY similiar, although Green actually had an All World TE to dump off to, and two VERY competent backs in Holmes and TRich.

I hate when posters now act like they were completely fine with Green's play the first year and a half. Truth be told, this board was ready to hang Green after his first season much like Cassel now.

Hindsight is always 20/20.
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BossChief 03-06-2010 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6582977)
What I'm saying Mic is that I don't think it's in his nature or part of his philosophy to draft skilled players at high positions in the draft.

Time will tell, but his history indicates his preferences.

why is it that some people on this site KNOW that Pioli had little to nothing to do with the draft in NE and yet when its convenient pin the draft to him anyway?

Scott has had one draft and it went so poorly that he fired 90% of the scouts and brought in new ones and hired a real director of college scouting.

If they bomb this draft, I am on board for the universal hatred button that people push all the time here whenever his name comes up, but at this point, I am willing to continue to give him a chance before throwning him into a burning aids tree after forcefeeding him gallons of anitfreeze.

SAUTO 03-06-2010 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6582997)
why is it that some people on this site KNOW that Pioli had little to nothing to do with the draft in NE and yet when its convenient pin the draft to him anyway?

Scott has had one draft and it went so poorly that he fired 90% of the scouts and brought in new ones and hired a real director of college scouting.

If they bomb this draft, I am on board for the universal hatred button that people push all the time here whenever his name comes up, but at this point, I am willing to continue to give him a chance before throwning him into a burning aids tree after forcefeeding him gallons of anitfreeze.

i ask the same question all the time. duplicity at its finest. rep for this post sir
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Chiefaholic 03-06-2010 04:03 PM

Trent excelled because a legit running game and better WR's forced the defense to play balanced. JC appears to be the playmaker we've been looking for. Now, we need somebody to throw to that can get open and catch the damn ball when the opportunity presents itself. I don't think Cassel is perfect, he definately has his flaws. But, I seriously doubt the front office gives up on him after one season with the lack of talent around him.

SAUTO 03-06-2010 04:03 PM

well i cant rep from the phone sorry:)
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morphius 03-06-2010 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6582982)
No, not at all.

Trent Green's interception issue wasn't entirely his fault. He had poor receivers that weren't well versed in the Coryell system. Once Kennison arrived and Saunders figured out that Priest was much more than a third down back, the offense rolled.

Cassel got worse as the season went along. Even though he was sacked only 8 times in the last six games, and Jamaal Charles went on a terror, Cassel's play declined.

That is nothing like Trent Green's first year, whatsoever.

So you are saying that the Chiefs have good WR's?

SAUTO 03-06-2010 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6582982)
No, not at all.

Trent Green's interception issue wasn't entirely his fault. He had poor receivers that weren't well versed in the Coryell system. Once Kennison arrived and Saunders figured out that Priest was much more than a third down back, the offense rolled.

Cassel got worse as the season went along. Even though he was sacked only 8 times in the last six games, and Jamaal Charles went on a terror, Cassel's play declined.

That is nothing like Trent Green's first year, whatsoever.

dane actually read what you wrote here. green needed kennison to arrive, needed priest to get on the field, needed wrs to learb the system

lj blocked charles.
chambers arrived possibly more on the way draftwise.

wrs will either be where there supposed to be or be gone
wrs BETTER CATCH THE ****ING BALL.

yeah i would say you proved the point that their respective first seasons were pretty close.

lets HOPE cassel turns it on from this point forward
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