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Dylan 05-01-2010 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl (Post 6729446)
Pioli was nothing but a myth/media creation conjured up by east coast writers. Belichik always called the shots for that team. It should be obvious based on Belichik's personality that he doesn't bow down to anyone or work "hand in hand" with anyone. Pioli was just along for the ride. If they're gonna call Pioli a bad ass they should should put the same all-star title on the assistants of guys like Ozzie Newsome and Ted Thompson. I am convinced Clark Hunts lack of football knowledge let to him being swayed by the media that Pioli really was everything they were saying he was. Not the first time a football team has made mistakes based upon myths.

:facepalm:

DaWolf 05-01-2010 10:14 PM

It's easy to call BB a genius, but two things to note (as people like to point out that Parcells hasn't done anything without BB on his sideline):

1) He hasn't done anything of note in the NFL when Pioli wasn't his personnel director
2) He hasn't done anything of note in the NFL without Tom Brady running his team

He's an outstanding coach, but sometimes his genius seems over hyped. I look at a guy like Joe Gibbs, who won three titles with three different non-HOF QB's, and am more impressed by that track record...

KC Jones 05-01-2010 10:50 PM

All I know, is I can't wait for the day Scott Pioli hoists that magical trophy over his head. You know, the trophy for winning the draft. That's going to be an awesome day!

KCrockaholic 05-01-2010 10:54 PM

Bill Polian is the best in the Biz IMO. I hate Indy, but Polian is incredible, and I was actually surprised to see Pioli's name that high on the poll. I like Pioli a lot, but I don't hold him to that standard. I think he has the Chiefs on a great track though.

CarlPeterson_fan 05-02-2010 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 6730038)
Dude Todd Collins could've done the same thing Cassel did in '08. Even Grbac with the NE offensive weapons on the Patriots could've pulled the exact same result.

I agree completely. Another example would be Gannon in Oakland. Throwing to Rice and Brown, Jamarcus Russell could have taken that team to the SB. Cassel=Gannon

Pasta Little Brioni 05-02-2010 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 6730288)
:facepalm:

Somebody call the Ambuehlamps.

Pioli Zombie 05-02-2010 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by CarlPeterson (Post 6730479)
I agree completely. Another example would be Gannon in Oakland. Throwing to Rice and Brown, Jamarcus Russell could have taken that team to the SB. Cassel=Gannon

Couldn't be that Gannon improved his game with more experience and Gruden being his coach and better talent. Yeah that would simply be awful if the Chiefs gave Cassel better coaching and weapons and he went out and became an MVP QB and takes his team to the Super Bowl. Yeah, who would want that????

You have proven yourself to be a total douchebag to actually to say that Cassel equals Gannon as a BAD THING.

Pioli Zombie 05-02-2010 09:09 AM

Oh, and how could I forget your biggest douchebag football ignorant point. That fat ass Russell could have taken the 2002 Raiders to the Super Bowl. You should not be allowed to ever watch a football game ever again.

Chiefshrink 05-02-2010 10:02 AM

I would think the Steelers Organization should have been mentioned in this article

B_Ambuehl 05-02-2010 10:58 AM

Colts, Chargers, Packers, Ravens, Steelers

Every single one of those teams have handed the patriots their ass and their balls as far as consistency in the draft over time. Every single one of them has a GM and every single one of those GMs has a director of pro personnel/assistant/"right hand man". Why haven't you heard of any of them?

The only reason anyone even knows about Pioli is because there is so much national media in the Patriots back yard and so much obsession with the Pats.

The Pats made some good trades and signed some good FAs when Pioli was there but that doesn't even apply to this Chiefs team who is active in neither.

I think for the most part people are starting to realize they've been sold a bill of goods. There will always be Pioli ballwashers but at least there's a big difference now compared to last year. If I'm a betting man I say the failure of Cassell will pretty much seal the deal for the majority. We'll have to revisit this topic next year for sure.

FD 05-02-2010 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl (Post 6730819)
Colts, Chargers, Packers, Ravens, Steelers

These 5 teams combined for 4 Superbowls in the past decade, the Patriots went to 4 themselves and won 3. Maybe that has something to do with the "ballwashing"?

Pioli Zombie 05-02-2010 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Forward Dante (Post 6730976)
These 5 teams combined for 4 Superbowls in the past decade, the Patriots went to 4 themselves and won 3. Maybe that has something to do with the "ballwashing"?

Exactly. I have a tremendous amount of respect for the Colts and Steelers. But all this ballwashing that goes on at CP for the Eagles,Ravens,Chargers,and Packers amuses me. Those 4 teams have won shit.

milkman 05-02-2010 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 6731219)
Exactly. I have a tremendous amount of respect for the Colts and Steelers. But all this ballwashing that goes on at CP for the Eagles,Ravens,Chargers,and Packers amuses me. Those 4 teams have won shit.

The fact is that those teams have done a better job of drafting overall through the years, but it all comes back to Tom Brady.

And when you look at it, guys like Willie McGinest, Teddy Bruski, Mike Vrabel, Rodney Harrison, etc...etc... who were big contributors to those SB teams, were all drafted before BB, or signed as free agents.

B_Ambuehl 05-03-2010 11:33 AM

Exactly. There's a lot more that goes into winning games than drafting. You have free agency, trades, coaching, luck, and cheating, and the Pats used every one of them. The only thing Pioli can do here is draft. Clark isn't gonna do trades and isn't gonna do free agency, and Pioli doesn't coach. so he (Clark) shoulda made damn sure he hired a master of the draft. As Pioli has proven thru his drafting record in NE and 2 years here, there were assuredly better potential hires out there.

Jethopper 05-03-2010 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl (Post 6729446)
Pioli was nothing but a myth/media creation conjured up by east coast writers. Belichik always called the shots for that team. It should be obvious based on Belichik's personality that he doesn't bow down to anyone or work "hand in hand" with anyone. Pioli was just along for the ride. If they're gonna call Pioli a bad ass they should should put the same all-star title on the assistants of guys like Ozzie Newsome and Ted Thompson. I am convinced Clark Hunts lack of football knowledge let to him being swayed by the media that Pioli really was everything they were saying he was. Not the first time a football team has made mistakes based upon myths.

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Originally Posted by YOUCANTKILLROR (Post 6729449)
:clap: That's gonna' leave a mark.

Wrong! You should check out BB's record without Tom Brady.... Losing.


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