This is the worst and dumbest opinion I've read on here in some time. Maybe ever. Just awful. :shake:

I've seen more of Angel than I have of Buffy, and all of Firefly so it's safe to say I enjoy the shows. If you haven't seen any of these but you think you might watch them at some point, then skip ahead because I'm about to spoil your fun.











What irks me is Whedon seems to have a thing for killing off / harming his male characters that some dudes might identify with. See: Xander in Buffy's last season, Doyle, Wesley, and perhaps Lindsey in Angel, and Wash in the Firefly movie. The only thing I can imagine it to be a part of his feminist leanings, though I've forgotten my reasoning why he makes a point to this. Maybe it's because he himself identifies with his female characters than their opposites. Or he just chooses to sacrifice the men for dramatic effect. Maybe college has trained me to over analyze, I dunno. But to me it seems like Whedon has it out for his stable of Everymen.

All of that aside, I think the 1st and 2nd season of Angel are a good example of well-done dramatic television. The standalone episode where Angel becomes human again is a great example of such. Angel's vampirism is gone, he can (and does) hook-up with Buffy now that his curse has been lifted and all is happy, but then Angel has to give it up and go back in time to stop his "healing" so he can at least partially make sure his love won't be killed, and to cap it off Buffy doesn't remember their last happy day together and leaves the episode practically despising Angel? That's rough shit man. The stand-alone-ish example of this is Season 2 is 1950s flashback ep where Angel tries to root out the demon that feeds on paranoia in the Hyperion Hotel, but is betrayed by a woman he tries to help and decides to give up on his efforts of doing good is pretty dramatic as well, especially at the end where he realizes the woman was still alive after 50 years of isolation in the hotel. Whedon's skill at story-arcs is showcased in the 2nd Season, when Darla is brought back to human form but dying of Syphilis, and it culminates with Angel promising to stay with her until the end when she's kidnapped by Wolfram and Hart agents and remade into a vampire is pretty shocking and painful as well.


Anyway, it's obvious to see that I like the show for its dramatics, not necessarily for the action and the beautiful women... Though I'd still die for a chance with an Allyson Hannigan / Amy Acker / Morena Baccarin.

A slanted viewpoint to justify your theory. You forgot to mention...

He offed Willow's girlfriend Tara.
He offed Xander's girlfriend Anya.
He offed Cordelia after she moved to "Angel".
He offed Buffy's mom with a brain tumor.
He offed the third slayer (that hot Spanishy looking chick).
He offed Darla, then brought her back in "Angel", then offed her again.
He offed a bunch of Slayerettes at the end of the show.
Hell, he even offed Buffy herself. Twice. (End of Season 1, end of Season 5.)

Methinks Joss just likes to kill people in general.

And it's a shame that Joss didn't get Emmy nods for either "Hush" or "Once More With Feeling", two outstanding "Buffy" episodes.

And the "puppet Angel" episode of that series was hilarious.

...and that show will still be a steaming pile of shit no matter how often you neg rep me. The show sucked. That's why it was canceled.

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